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Arguing Over Little Things in ADHD Marriages

Do you have the experience where everything you do seems to end in conflict?  Are you in the middle of a conversation and suddenly your spouse is going on and on about how you used the wrong word?  One of our readers wrote about it this way: "the entire conversation is ignored and the one word is focused on, whether it be to accuse me of changing facts, or blaming her for something, taking a stab at me or just flat out missing the point...there is so much anger and unhappiness ... I have stopped talking since everything I say gets disected and used against me in some way."

Back when my husband and I were fighting he used to change the direction of our conversations to argue over semantics instead of general content, too.  It drove me crazy and always made me mad because it felt as if he couldn't stay focused on what was really important and didn't care about the point I was trying to make.  It felt as if he just wanted to fight...and didn't care about what. 

Looking back, I learned a few things about this pattern.  First, just because this is happening to you now doesn't mean that the two of you will always communicate this way.  We don't do it at all any more.  Really, this conversational style is an artifact of your joint anger.

Second, retreating isn't the answer.  Changing how you communicate and what the topic is, is.  One communication technique is to try to get your partner to reiterate what they think they understand of what you said.  "I would love to know that I clearly communicated what I was thinking.  Can you tell me what you heard?"  Conversely, you can say "let me make sure I understood what you were saying"...and repeat back to her what you think you heard.  Notice that these words point to your communication skills, not your spouse's listening skills, because you want your spouse to understand that you aren't attacking her.

Third, when you get into this type of pattern it is probably a good time to set some conversational rules.  Make it "not okay" for someone to attack another person personally.  (No "you are always so lazy" or "you never listen to me".  Use "I don't feel as if we are sharing the work load around the house evenly" or "are there ways that we can improve how we say things and listen to each other so that we communicate more clearly?")  This takes some practice and you need to try to not let anger flare up at lapses.  Instead, take the high road and redirect the conversation to the specific problem you are trying to solve and why it needs solving.

It's really important to respect your spouse's opinion about what is bothering her - just because you don't agree with her approach doesn't mean that it isn't either a good approach for her or legitimately a problem...and if she's having a problem, you have a problem.  Your job isn't to assess whether or not her approach to an issue is right - it's to assess how your approach and her approach might be melded together for a solution that satisfies you both.

How she processes info and how you do are very different, so it can take a while to clarify things, particularly when you are fighting (which tends to make people very un-thoughtful).  Always try to converse with this in mind and be open to her different way of processing and thinking, just as you would want her to be open to yours.
 

 

Comments

Re-Focusing

Melissa ... I have been working at this for the last few weeks and, it can go from feast to famine in an instant. I've been attempting to do what you describe above: try to make sure I'm hearing what she says by repeating and actively listening etc and, trying to voice what I say in a non-aggresive "feeling" way. We have been seeing a marriage therapist now for some time and she is also directing us in such a direction. Our session earlier this month went well in my mind; we were both open about things that bothered us and she was open with the councelsor and things were looking up. We were discussing household taskings and, I mentioned that I just wanted to be included etc, to know whats going on. In the session all was well, she conversed, agreed and understood. When we got home, everything went to pot; instead of continuing w/the understanding pattern in the session, one of "lets share" and "lets be a team" it became once again a focus on everything I said "wrong". I used the wrong examples, its my fault for not seeing what she's doing, how dare I have these opinions and after enduring this thankfully we were saved by a friends visit. I have noticed that ... she never apologizes for anything. Not since we have been married. If she does something flat out wrong (we all do) ... and if I have the courage to reply whats bothering me; even if I do it as nicely has humanly possible; it turns into how I said it wrong and all the reasons why she did what she did ... and I end up at the short end. I just don't understand it ... I know you say above that time/patience and love will work ... but how long? Is this a life-long communication pattern or ... what can we do? In my individual sessions w/our councelor she is uncertain how to procede. My wife says she wants to work it but ... in the session anything I share is used as ammo when we get home. Anything I say at home is likewise re-addressed for everything i'm doing wrong. Is it possible this method of communcation/latent anger you describe is just how she is and ... nothing is going to change it? Is there a way to help her understand that "we are on the same team" and ... well ... yeah. I really appreciate your time/energy/help in posting and replying and relaying information. Bob

Arguing always gets me into trouble

I have this problem as well, being I have ADHD and my wife doesn't. A lot of times when we are having conversations I ask her if she understands what I mean, or ask her to explain back to me what I said, so I can know if she understood me or not. But almost 90% of the time, I get told, "I am not stupid I understand what you said and meant.", by my wife. But then she really doesn't and gets offended because I perhaps said it harshly or said it in a loud voice and she felt I really didn't mean the words because of the tone I said it in. It confuses the heck out of me, because I try really hard to explain my thoughts in detail if I have to, and yet for some reason when I ask her if she understands what I said, I get that response at times. I know sometimes its my fault because perhaps I am not telling her the whole story, although the whole story is in my head, but when telling the story, only a little of it comes out, because the other part of it, I am already thinking I told her. Does that sound weird? Its like I know exactly what I want to come out, but instead only bits and pieces come out. Thats why I ask her if she understands me or not. On rare occasions she does allow me to go over what I said, and then realizes what I was trying to say, but most of the time its too late before I realize she took what I said the wrong way.

In Trouble

Try explaining what you have explained here - that you don't always feel that you are ably telling her "the whole story" - that your request that she let you know what she heard isn't because SHE is stupid...it's because YOU are unsure whether you've gotten across your thought because your mind is racing so fast.  In other words, you're not questioning her comprehension, but want to make sure you've provided accurate delivery of the complete thought (and many ideas have subtleties that are hard to get across, as you know!)

Ask her for her patience and point out that it is in her best interests to help you learn to communicate better so that you'll have fewer misunderstandings and arguments as a couple.

By the way - it seems very common that the way that the ADHD spouse expresses things does confuse the non-ADHD spouse.  Even when the non-ADHD spouse thinks he/she knows what is being said it isn't, in fact, what the ADD spouse was trying to communicate.

Melissa Orlov

Melissa Orlov

Thanks for the advice

I will speak to my wife about what you said. And thanks. It sounds exactly what I need to do. I just have to figure a way to tell her that she will understand, and you have given me that, by saying how adhd people when they are thinking that their thoughts are racing around there in our heads. So that might get to her, I hope it works. ;)

I am a Non-ADD spouse. Until

I am a Non-ADD spouse. Until a huge fight we had last night (well, mostly I had, he sat there quitely and let me lose my head), I didn't realize how much I didn't understand about ADD and how it affects our marriage. I am willing, and have tried before, to approach difficult subjects this way. Most of the time, I try to talk first, or use non-attacking statements such as your examples provided. But he does not want to play along. If I were to ask him the question "What do you think we could do to communicate more effectively", he would say "I don't know" and that would be that. If I continued to prod and push the subject, it would turn into an argument, and then a fight. How can I get him to be OPEN to learning how to communicate? Often I get blamed for "always wanting to talk" and running things through the mud because I don't just drop the subject. Even if I were to show him this article, he may get mad or offended that I'm trying to "counsel" him. Please help, any thoughts would be appreciated.

As the ADD spouse

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I can relate to your problem as I used to hate to talk with my wife about my issues or things I caused. It always felt like I was being attacked or scolded (something I endured as a kid). It is really hard to remember the revelation I had that caused us to learn how to talk without getting upset. I don't recall if your SO has been diagnosed or if either is going to counseling, if so, bring it up. The only other suggestion I could give is you need to try and give a solution the next time you want to talk about something. Give him the benefit of why being open is good for him. An example could be, I know you get upset when I talk about ......, but, if you could be more open with me about what bothers you, or why it bothers you, maybe, there is a way we can communicate without hurting each other in the future..... Make it a win win situtaion. Maybe start with a subject that is not a sensitive subject. This is more or less what my wife and I have worked on. It takes some time to get used to it. It also helps if you can see each others point of view and maybe understand why certain things happen. That said, it does not mean you have to agree. You both should agree to disagree and most of the time us ADD folks love to disagree...... Hope this gives you an idea, don't give up, but at the same time, don't force the issue at once, it may take a while. Listen closely to your spouse for tonal changes or facial expressions that he is getting anxious or frustrated. More than likely he gets that way very quickly. In my case, I have to hold back sometimes with my wife always wanting to justify things after I have already agreed with her and I find myself becoming impatient. In many ways it takes a while for the non ADD spouse to learn how to communicate with us. And what may work for my wife and I may not work with you. Good luck!

How long?

I have to say that I can feel Bob's frustration. That hopeless exasperation that makes one wonder how much longer one can continue beating one's head against a wall. I have been working for years to communicate with my ADHD husband, and have labored to put into practice the tips you mention. First, there's the duration. This has been going on during my entire 20-year marriage - sometimes more and sometimes less, but the past 3 - 4 years have been almost completely like this. Second, there's the subjectivity of it. Its not that he doesn't understand the word I've used or my sentiment, its that the word was WRONG and I should have known it would upset him. Even if he looks it up in the dictionary and sees I used it correctly, he maintains that I know how he would take it, therefore I was wrong to use it. In addition, I have rephrased my sentiment any number of ways, but it always comes back to a character flaw in myself. I'm stuck-up. I'm "holier-than-thou." I'm "too stupid to understand simple logic." Which leads me to setting conversational rules - it just simply never happens. We end up spending three hours fighting over what is "making it personal" and what is not. I've tried over and over to explain the difference between "I felt defensive because I thought you were being impatient with me" and "you're acting weird." As a matter of fact, he maintains that "you're acting weird" isn't personal because my BEHAVIOR is in question, not me personally. Trying to stay on topic is also an exercise in extreme frustration. He'll challenge me, I'll respond, and rather than address the challenge, he'll treat my response as the challenge and either ask a rhetorical question or issue a new challenge. I have tried the "we're on the same team" approach and have been met with, "There's nothing wrong with me, it's your problem, you figure it out," or "If you would only ... then I wouldn't have to ..." Worst of all, in the few instances where we've reached resolution, its entirely likely that in a week or a month or who-knows-how-long, we'll be back at the beginning because he will have forgotten the conversation. One therapist I had suggested that when a discussion becomes personal, involves name-calling, or follows so many tangents that the original point is lost, I should leave the conversation. Sadly, this is also not possible. The few times I have attempted this - even after explaining my motivation - he has followed me, not allowed me to sleep, or physically restrained me. These arguments are ruining my health. They seem in invigorated to him, but it takes me days to feel like myself again after a few hours of that. (By then, he's probably angry about something else.) If I could see that each "discussion" brought us closer to understanding each other, that would be one thing. But going over and over the same worn down paths is no way to live.

Sounds awful

It sounds as if you are being completely bullied by your husband.  I would recommend that you read "You Don't Have to Take it Any More" by Steven Stosny.

Your comment that your arguments seem to invigorate your husband is the scariest part of all - and this does happen to some people (it's a form of self-medication).  But you are on the negative side of this, ruining your health.

I'll tell you what Ned Hallowell told me when I got to the point where the stress in my marriage was ruining my health.  He said "It may be time for you to change your goal - from saving your marriage to living a happy life.  Don't put stock in any particular outcome.  You may end up staying married...or you may not.  Just think about what you need to do to live the happy life you deserve to live."  I had one of those "aha" moments when he said it.  Perhaps you should consider the same advice.  What would you do to make your life happier?

Melissa Orlov

Melissa Orlov

Ruby

Thanks so much. I hadn't thought of it as bullying, but you're absolutely right. I look forward to reading the book you suggested. Thanks also for your other suggestion. It certainly bears thinking about. I have a lot of conflicting emotions, but you make a very good point. My life is not happy right now, not at all. Would it be selfish of me to make my happiness a higher priority? Maybe not.

Great advice on dealing with ADHD Partner

I love the advice that Melissa Orlov gave: What would I do to make my life happier instead of shifting between leaving a marriage or staying involved with a partner that is challenging. The advice is something so simple, yet I believe it is truly the path to happiness.

That sounds so much like my

That sounds so much like my situation, all of it. It is kind of refreshing to know that I am not the only one going through this. I also felt like I was losing a huge part of me and that my children's life was being affected by our combined dynamics. I realize that I do not respond effectively to my spouse and his ADD, and it is related to lack of knowledge. We chose to separate with the plan that my husband seek help for his ADD. I am also wanting to do work on things together, after awhile. Right now I have so much peace in my world that I haven't felt for a long time, I feel very guilty for it. It is like having a breath of fresh air. I pray that we are doing things the correct way. My husband wants me to stop living in the past, I know that is important, but also very hard.

Living in the Past

It is excellent that you identify that living in the past is one of the issues - for it certainly is.  You have a choice to make, really.  Do you accept the past (this does not mean that you like it - just accept it) and let it go in order to make way for more positive interactions with your spouse, or do you cling to the angers and frustrations of the past and let them continue to hurt your present and your future?

Accepting your past is part of forgiving yourself and your spouse.  Forgiveness isn't saying "it was okay to do this" but rather getting yourself to a point where your anger and hurt don't continue to dominate you and block your forward progress.  Forgiveness is a process of acknowledging where you were and how you got there, accepting it, and letting it go.

Also, you shouldn't feel guilty about feeling relief about your new situation.  You got separated because it was such a struggle being together.  There should be no guilt at coming to grips with what is going on and acting upon it in a way that you both feel is responsible.  Your peace today is a benefit of acting in what you hope will be both of your best interests - and you can hope that it is only the first of many benefits.  That said, you need to move in a direction where someday you'll be able to find happiness when you are back together, too.

The question now is - what's next?  You've asked your husband to seek help for his ADD.  Perhaps you should also seek help for your anger and sadness so that you can move past your past.  Just as it will be easier for you both if your husband makes progress on his ADD symptoms, so too will it be easier on you both if you make progress on your own issues and start to understand the role your own behavior and responses have played in the disintigration of your relationship.  An added benefit - he'll appreciate that you are taking responsibility for your own actions and putting in the same kind of hard effort he is making.

Good luck to you - it sounds as if you are on a good path!

Melissa Orlov

Melissa Orlov

Yes, I agree with the

Yes, I agree with the letting the past go, I know that if you do not do this then you really can not progress in the future. That being said it is not easy and does not happen overnight, my husband thinks it should happen overnight. I have been going to see someone for myself and it is really beneficial. Need to continue this. I am having issues with whether I have made the correct decision with separating. I know I feel better for it, but I have 2 children. My belief is that I am making a better situation for my children, whether we get back together or not. My husband cooks for me, he cleans and will do basically anything around the house, not because I won't do it but because he wants to do so. Only problem is that he feels because of the work that he dose do that I should be grateful and be more understanding of his other issues. He then discusses this with other people and family and they can't understand my problem. How do I explain this to people. I really do not feel supported by my family regarding this.

LEtting go of the past

I think the topic of what you both bring to the marriage, compared to what you yourself want in a marriage, is a great thing to discuss with your therapist.  As is working through whether or not separating is the right path.  One lens through which to view this question - what will happen if your guy decides to start seeing other women now that you are separated?  How will you feel.  A different lens would be "where/how can we make the most progress as individuals - together or separated?"  Perhaps a good goal is to make as much forward progress yourself as you can, as quickly as you can, so that if you get back together you can do it with a new set of tools...

As for the housework stuff...I have a bias on this one.  Lots of people would kill to have a husband who carried his weight around the house, so don't discount his efforts.  Anyone, man or woman, likes to be recognized for the work that they do that others might take for granted.  After working hard to do a mindless job like 8 loads of laundry (me - today) or cleaning up (pretty much every day, sigh!), I always like a "thanks" from my spouse.  (This thanks is particularly important in that this work isn't acknowledged through compensation...and seems endless.)

To make matters worse, he is going counter-culture...that is, lots of men don't feel that this is their job...making him stand out.  It's easy to see why he expects you to notice.  If you start saying thanks more, perhaps he will stop bad mouthing you to others (even if he's only doing it to toot his own horn, this makes you feel bad, I'm sure).  If this doesn't stop it, then you might have a direct conversation with him about how that hurts.

Melissa Orlov

Melissa Orlov

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