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How Do I Get My Spouse to Deal with ADD?

I gave a talk last night for ADDclasses.com about overcoming anger and frustration in ADHD relationships.  At the end of the session listeners asked two very important questions:  how do I get my spouse with ADHD to admit he has ADD and participate in improving our relationship? And, as an ADHD spouse, how do I get my non-ADD spouse to admit I have ADD and start to deal with it?

These questions are obviously two sides of the same coin.  In the first case, the most common reasons for resistance to admitting one has ADD are rooted in a lack of understanding about what ADD is (and isn’t) and in the climate that the non-ADD spouse has unwittingly created around the topic.  In most cases, you’ll find that calls for ADD treatment are charged with bad feelings – as in “you’re a mess and you need to fix yourself by dealing with your ADD” or “many of our problems could be solved if you would just deal with your ADD” (underlying theme here being that the ADD spouse is personally responsible for the marital issues the couple is having).  The ADD spouse feels under attack and resists responding in a positive way, or even acknowledging the possibility that one of his/her traits might be creating a problem.

The non-ADD spouse needs to take the first steps to change this scenario by depoliticizing the topic of ADD.  To do this, uncouple the symptoms of ADD from the person.  If distraction is your issue, tell your spouse that you love him, but that you don’t like feeling as if other things (computers, hobbies, etc) take precedence over you all the time and ask for help creating more special moments together.  If you do talk about ADD reassure your spouse that you are not trying to change him.  Rather, you are trying to figure out how to eliminate some of the specific patterns or symptoms that seem to plague your relationship – patterns that can be changed if both of you work to change them.

Another good way to encourage a person to figure out they might have ADD is to ask them to do some reading on the topic.  Gaining knowledge is non-threatening (vs. going to a doctor’s office for an evaluation, for example).  If you have a child with ADD you may want to try this approach “I’ve just read Driven to Distraction and found that it gave me a lot of insight into some of the issues that little Julie has to face.  I thought you might like to read it/ listen to it so that you can learn about the challenges she faces – and all the great things we can do to help her.”  A person with ADD may well “see” himself in those pages once he starts to read.

Admitting you have ADD, even knowing you have it through a full evaluation, does not mean that you will want to start the treatment that your spouse wishes you would start.  Non-ADD spouses need to be careful not to dictate what type of treatment an ADD spouse should undergo.  It should be the role of the non-ADD spouse to encourage some sort of treatment to address the symptoms that are at issue.  The person with the ADD should control the specifics.  After all – the bottom line issue here is the symptoms.  Whatever way the ADD person figures out to deal with the symptoms should be fine.  If standing on his head makes the symptoms go away, then do you care if that is what’s chosen?  In many cases, once the issue of treatment is depoliticized, the ADD spouse eventually gets to a treatment that works for both parties.  Critical to this process is continuing to separate the symptoms from the person.  It is a good rule of thumb to assume that the person with the ADD wants to have a better relationship and would prefer not to have bothersome symptoms…but doesn’t always know the best way to go about this on the first try.  Be patient with experimentation – and encouraging of all efforts.

What about the non-ADD spouse who won’t admit that their spouse has ADD?  In this case, it is almost always deeply held anger that is getting in the way.  The attitude is “ADD is just another excuse for why you can’t be a better spouse!  Stop making excuses and start performing!”  OUCH!  In this case, the ADD spouse needs to smooth the way by acknowledging the presence and validity of the anger and appealing to the reasonable side of the non-ADD spouse to better educate herself.

Try this as an approach:  “I know and understand why you are angry.  I do a lot of things that you don’t like.  But ADD isn’t a thing that you “believe in or don’t believe in” like a religion.  It is a set of symptoms that either I have or don’t have.  I’m asking you to learn more about it and hoping that you will do so simply because I am asking it.  Knowledge won’t hurt and I think you might find the topic pretty interesting.  Your refusal to just find out more hurts me a bit, because I’m sure that if I asked you to read a short story because I found it interesting you would do so simply because I suggested it.  So, refusing to learn about something that is this important to me seems odd.  If you don’t have time to read the book, I can get an abridged version on audiotape that you can listen to on your way to work or while you are exercising.”

Again, you want to depoliticize the issue of ADD.  By moving the conversation from “Read this because I think it will explain why I have behaved the way I do” to “I hope you’ll read this because it’s very important to me and I’m asking you to please read it” takes away some of the “you’re just trying to find another excuse” footing.

If that doesn’t work, then the next step is to simply start treatment for ADD and get your symptoms under control.  Once you feel confident that you are doing better (and treatment is definitely more than just taking meds - meds alone don't work!) you can sit down with your spouse and confront them.  “I have worked hard over the last year to change the following things that were interfering in our relationship and have improved X, Y and Z.  It’s time for you to start contributing, as well.  At this point I would really appreciate it if you would take the time to learn about my ADD, as my education about ADD symptoms is what has enabled me to make the changes I’ve made and I think your also learning about it could help us both.  In addition, we have the following symptoms still going on in our marriage that I would love to address with you.”  Dealing with your own ADD doesn’t require a spouse (single people do it just fine!) and learning to manage your symptoms is a net plus for you no matter what happens in your marriage.

Comments

Marriage disbelief anger control

What advice would you give to me who is ADD and LD ( taking med and trying to improve myself) Married 18 years to a husband who is ADHD but we both have different signs of the makeup of ADD. He went to Milatry school . He is much like a maverick type that is talked about in Delivered from Distraction. I can not seem to intrest him to read even about me much less see himself. I have really enjoyed the blogs. It has helped me not to feel so isolated about myself and my Marriage. He can get so angry at me for my short commings. He is not open or willing to even understand me. Thanks for your Wisdom.

ADD and Bipolar- can people coexist harmoniously?

I am a 38 year old female married for almost 3 years to my 46 year old husband. We have a beautiful daughter who is 21 months old. I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I was off my medications during my pregnancy and for the first six months of my daughter's life so that I could breastfeed. I had a severe depressive/ post partum depressive episode which required hospitalization at that time. For the last year, I have been continually taking my medication, seeing my therapist weekly, holding a part time job, and taking care of my daughter. It is very important for me to have a sense of control in my life and be able to count on others to help when necessary or available. My husband has been diagnosed with ADD and a slew of other medical conditions including depression which he sporadically addresses. He is well educated ( a doctor), but cannot seem to get ahead in his business. He loses clients because he is constantly late. He frequently commits himself to multiple activities at the same time. He does try to write everything down in his palm pilot, but doesnt always look at it. He has extreme difficulty finishing tasks like his billing because it is tedious and he cannot sit still long enough to concentrate. If he does not do his billing, he does not get paid and we cannot pay our bills. He gave up his practice a few months before I met him and with that, his sectretary, business structure, and office. The ustructured way that he has chosen to see his patients ( he does about 90% housecalls) affects our family time, other commitments, and ensures countless disappointments that reasonable expections do not come to fruition. He has NOT properly addressed his ADD, either through meds, a coach, or other methods despite encouragement, pleading, or offers of assistance. He claims to have "mental blocks" which do not allow him to succeed. He is also one of the most spiritual, well meaning, and sweetest persons I have ever met. He loves our daughter with a passion- she is the apple of his eye and he cannot deny her anything. This too is posing a problem in our relationship. Our daughter has some issues which require Early Intervention. Some of her teachers are starting to say that she has problems completing tasks, getting frustrated to easily, and general lack of attention. He claims that he cannot bear to hear her cry and repeatedly condradicts the parenting regime that we agreed upon. The baby knows already at this tender age that she can come crying to Daddy for anything that she wants and he will give it to her. It has become increasingly difficult for me to remain in this marriage without some sort of change occurring. He has made many promises to me that things will change, but he is unable to stick to his word. I have given him a two month ultimatim to start to address his issues if he still in interested in us remaining a family unit. I know that that is a bit harsh, but we have just been through six months of marital counseling with no significant changes. Any insightful comments or suggestions would be most appreciated. I just found this website last week and I receive tremendous comfort from it. Gail NY

Response to Gail

First, good for you for being so proactive in your own treatments!  You are in a difficult period, and your ability to keep your own life in order is a credit to you.

Second, it sounds as if you have a person who is very loving, spiritual and sweet in your husband...but whose ADD symptoms are out of control.  As you mention that you like to have things under control it sounds as if his lack of control hits you harder than it might hit other women he might have married.  But you two are together - and it may well be that part of the reason for that is that he was attracted to your ability to control things.  (Ah, you say, but I don't WANT to be in control of all of this stuff!!!)

The good news here is that you are able to differentiate the symptoms from the man...now the question is - is he?  Your comment about having a "mental block" that keeps him from succeeding sounds as if he doesn't understand his ADD very well.  One could see how you could think you have a mental block against succeeding when you see yourself make the same silly mistakes over and over again if you didn't understand how to manage ADD. 

Depression is a very common side effect of ADD (more than 50% of people with ADD also have depression) and this is not a surprise as their lives can be a big, big struggle.

It sounds as if your husband has set himself up to fail, at least as your lives are currently set up.  Again, this might simply be from his lack of understanding about how ADD affects him - and how he can lessen its effect.  He has moved his professional life from a structured environment in which he could find the support that he needs to address some of his most bothersome ADD symptoms into what sounds like complete chaos.  You do not say why he closed down his practice, but one possible choice to help him get his life back in order might be for him to join a larger practice that would take some of the more onerous tasks off his hands once again and make your family less dependent upon his ability to bill his clients (and collect from them).

I would ask whether or not your marriage counsellor knows about how to work with couples with ADD.  If you are spending a lot of time digging around in the past, then counselling may not help and shouldn't be used as a barometer for whether or not to end the marriage.  The counselling should focus on developing ways to deal with ADD symptoms that are getting in the way of the two of you succeeding as a couple.  (And one way, of course, is to treat the ADD - and there are many ways to do this).

You are in a tough period for other reasons, too.  You have not been married very long, yet you already have the incredibly disrupting influence of a young child (who "disrupts" your relationship in both good and bad ways).  One area of conflict is clearly discipline, but this can be worked out.  In fact, regardless of whether or not you stay together as a couple you STILL need to work out the discipline question as you will still both be interacting as parents of this child - and the worst possible situation is when divorced parents disagree about discipline - it's really destabilizing for everyone.  Working through this will mean educating yourselves about ways that work (research suggests lots of love and lots of thoughtful structure for children works best, particularly in families where there is a chance that ADD will be passed along, as in yours.  But you should read about this yourselves so that you can agree about how/whether this type of approach will work best for you and your daughter and how the two of you will implement it.)

The first years of a marriage are frequently very, very hard.  There is much to adjust to as the euphoria of courtship wears off and the reality of paying the bills, keeping house and sharing responsibilities sets in.  I think that you are right to communicate with your husband that you are serious about his addressing his ADD symptoms, but I would be careful to make sure that his agreeing to start addressing his issues satisfies the immediate ultimatum (in other words, don't move the bar).  Coming to grips with ADD and its symptoms takes education, an open mind, and a real reason to stick it out.  If you husband has low self-esteem about his ability to succeed (and it sounds as if this may be the case) he will need a cheerleader.

You do not mention how long you have known your husband, nor how you felt about your courtship or why you fell in love with him, though I am guessing that some of what attracted you to him was his personality.  But you are disappointed and angry and, from what I read between the lines in your email, I would guess that if your husband doesn't address his symptoms the two of you will likely not stay married for very long.  But please don't let your own concerns about being in control dictate the timetable for his improvement in a way that robs you of a relationship which might end up being very special.

It is a shock to end up in a marriage that is so completely different from what you expected...but the "bones" of this one seem as if they are good (in the same way that you look at a house in need of repair and say that it has "good bones").  You have both been willing to admit there is an issue and see a counsellor, you still have very nice things to say about your husband's innate personality, you have a lovely daughter who is worth some extra effort.  Currently you have a structural issue (bad match between job and ADD symptoms) in your husband's job, some self-esteem issues and some discipline issues that you need to resolve...these can all be worked on.

A word of caution about your daughter and the "regime" that you have agreed to for her.  Be very, very careful not to impose your feelings about your husband's disarray onto your daughter.  21 months is way too young to be worried about whether or not she is focused - kids at that age are supposed to be taking it all in.  (For specific info about child development at every age there is a very good series called "Your X Year Old - as in Your One Year Old, Your Two Year Old, etc.)  Be careful not to punish her for her lack of attention, and try to be as loving as possible.  One of the all-time best things I did with my kids when they were little was one very simple thing (and because it was one thing that was at the heart of my approach to conflict it was easy to be consistent for everyone in the family - and would probably work for yours, too.)  We made sure that the kids understood that "Tantrums don't work."  So every time they came to us in a fit of frustration or anger we would calmly say "Tantrums don't work.  Please come back to talk with me when you have calmed down."  Then, when they came back, we would listen to what they had to say and seriously consider whatever their concern was and talk it over with them.  We always used the same words - "Tantrums don't work."  It didn't take long before they got it - and at 14 and 17 today they still laugh about it (and use it as a mantra).  We have a very good relationship, and can talk about anything because at a very early age we set up that basic rule.

So perhaps this is an easy-to-remember approach that your husband and you might both try that would at least diminish that area of conflict (and, yes, if they go off crying you do have to leave them alone until they get control over themselves...just so long as they don't physically hurt themselves!)

There is a lot here, but I feel that there may be more that I can help you with.  Feel free to write more and I will try to respond.

Melissa Orlov

ADD & Bipolar, continued

Thank you so much for all your advice. A little more background information on us- This is my third marriage and my husband's first. No other children. We are Orthodox Jewish- my husband since birth and myself since young adulthood. We are encouraged during dating to focus on emotional closeness, common life goals, and whether or not we can help each other grow spiritually and emotionally. There is a deemphasis on a physical relationship outside of marriage and therefore many people do not date for an extended period of time. We dated about 5 months before we became engaged and married 3 months after that. We have many of the same interests, but my husband is a lot more outgoing than I am. He has many friends and acquaintances while I have much fewer, but those relationships are close ones. There is a lot of structure and customs which need to be adhered to such as times for prayer (3 times daily), observance of the Sabbath and Holidays, and diligence in Torah study. My husband is generally very good in these areas. When he is doing something that he enjoys such as learning or teaching, he has the ability to commit himself, his time and his good natured energy. His original life plan was to become a political activist, but his family pushed him to do something different. He is the fifth of six children. All his brothers are doctors. One of his sisters is a dentist and the other is a computer programmer. All of them are successful and have beautiful and loving families. They help my husband as much as possible, but I think that there have been too many people in his life who have enabled him and allowed him to get out of bad situations especially with poor monetary decisions. Noone has ever tried to use tough love to see if he can rise to the challenge and help himself. More than anything, I want to see him succeed. He needs so badly for himself. The "mental block" comment that I made in my last posting was his direct quote. Is there a list of coaches in the NY city area (preferably in Brooklyn) that we can turn to? I hope that as he feels better about himself when he addresses his issues, we can continue to seek a loving and stable marriage. Maybe there is some coaching for me as well so that I can learn how to best help him without nagging or enabling. Thank you again for your help. Gail NY

NY area coaches

In case I didn't respond to this - call the NY Hallowell Center and they should be able to help you find some coaches or therapists who might be able to help you and your husband.  The number is 212-799-7777.

Melissa Orlov

ADHD has plagued my family

I'm at the brink of exhaustion, I have two daughters with ADD (10) and ADHD combined (7). I'm not even sure anymore what the correct term is these days. I have recently been told I have mild ADD (40) which explains a lot of impulsiveness I have, like moving (3) times, spending to much etc etc. I've been working really hard to get control of these things. THe problem Ihave is that my husband, is having a difficult time accepting our daughters with this disability. I think he has a difficult time with me as well. We have really no relationship anymore. I have this resentment built up that I can't seem to break the wall down. He has his own issues, from family life that basically he has been dealing with our should I say not dealing with. He has been depressed but can't seem to do anything about it. He is seeing someone for the past 4 months but I see no changes, no movement to work on these things. My feeling is that he possibly has it as well. 5 of our nephews on his side of the family have ADHD. So I'm suspecting he possibly has it too. However, he thinks of himself has a perfectionist which is tough for us because we aren't perfect. I don't know how to connect anyore to him, because I'm fighting my own battles. Does anyone have suggestions for me..When do you know it's time to leave?

ADD/ADHD & an attempt at a committed relationship

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I was in a new relationship post-divorce with a wonderful gal, mid-30s and each of us with one young kid. It was a mix of 'instant family' and 'moving on'. It was within the first year of this relationship that I learned / discovered that what I had was 'ADD'; I figured this out mostly after 'divorce counseling' led to ongoing personal counseling... and eventually diagnosing minor depression + ADD, but recurring 'problems'... those problems were the fruits of ADD and low self-esteem. My counselor also had ADD and was somewhat sensitive to it, but it still took a long time to come to that realization... Peggy was a strong person and one that had no trouble in just doing something. I was very resourceful but had lots of procrastination issues, and failure-to-complete, too. Still, I'm successful enough to keep going, and keep trying, and I'm creative and 'fun' enough to want to be around me. So, she hung in for a while. She was definitely opinionated, and feisty and pushy and even bossy; it made for a lot of strong challenges. After learning of ADD, and reading Driven to Distraction (Dr H's great book), I felt it was appropriate to get my gal to understand this so that I could get her in on what was going on with me. Of course it's better to reveal the 'issue' rather than to try to hide it; plus, I knew that she'd be able to work with me and help and support me and bolster me, and we'd be stronger for it. She really didn't read the book, I learned later, she didn't give it much stock. Dunno why. Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way for me for us. I can't blame her for that, it's never just one person, and heck, I'm the one with the diagnosis... and she wasn't 'scared off' by the diagnosis, but she certainly wasn't thrilled with it... she attempted some joint counseling sessions with me and a couple of different therapists for a half-dozen or so visits over a few months time. I'd try to do well, but I'd fall back, fail, or still have an issue. It did lead to some difficult times for us, and it took about a year before she was now convinced that I wasn't going to get better, and that since I had a pill that worked and I had read the book, that I should be cured. I wish it were that easy. It is for her, it wasn't, on my side of the relationship. It took a few years for things to disintegrate far enough to split, we did. We tried again a while later, both having strong feelings for the other, and an expressed re-commitment. That, too, didn't survive another trip-up on my part (I don't have a particular event in mind, but I'm sure that's what caused her to withdraw and choose to leave for the last time, and for good). Overall, it was about a 9-year run. I recall in another of Dr Hallowell's books (more recent) that one of the 'right things to do' for a relationship with ADD is to MARRY THE RIGHT PERSON. I wish I could figure out how to determine what that 'right person' is... See, I had a relationship with a person that I thought was right, but I didn't know until later that her first name was 'Always'... I wish it really were as funny as that line should be... but I know that she really didn't give ADD a chance, she didn't really believe in it, I'd say. If I'd have been able to figure out how to better inform her or 'awaken her knowledge' to it, we might have fared better. I'm fortunate in that she and I were not legally married or otherwise encumbered, as our departures were a lot 'easier' to happen; the first break-up, I left but it was a mutual relief from the struggles... we did try again later after we'd had time to realize what we had... but it didn't take too long for me to trip up, and for her to see that I wasn't 'cured' yet... so the second time, she left. Neither of us just 'gave up'; we really really tried, a lot of tears and attempts, and plenty of regular 'life' issues, too... but it still went south in the end. It had nothing to do with 'other people' or any dishonesty in the relationship or anything like that... it just didn't go. It would have been more difficult with a 'real' marriage (e.g. divorce etc.), but I'm sure that we'd have overcome that, too. I still miss that girl, and it's been a few years, too. Now, in my newer relationships since, I'm right up-front with my ADD. If it's a problem, it's easy to move on before you get too deeply interested or involved. And I've dated a few gals with ADD, and that's been a struggle, too, as each of us is different, and my ADD is nothing like their ADD (so far, at least). And, I dated one gal for a year that was in denial about it, and I tried to reach her -- even with my knowledge of what I saw, and what I felt, I had a really hard time getting to her about it... she eventually got the message across to me that she wasn't interested in hearing any more about it, and so I needed to back off. I wasn't preaching it to her, but I did care enough to try. I'm now pushing 50 and struggling with relationship issues, although a lot more interested in working harder on ME to keep ME on track. I participate in all kinds of ADD learning opportunities, and other 'relationship' self-help stuff, too. I'm definitely not there, yet. I've had a half-dozen significant dating relationships since Peggy left and it's a struggle every time. Finding that right person... still a mystery. In the meantime, I'm trying to work on 'me' and making me 'right'... and I truly don't feel that I'm there just yet. nuf4now

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