Skip to main content

Online "cheating"

I recently found out that my ADD husband has not only been looking at rather a lot of porn online, he has posted on BDSM forums, saying things like that he might be looking for the right sub girl.

Now, I have always been sexual and have been an active participant in our sex life, including sexual BDSM games, so it's not like he couldn't get that at home. However, he would hardly ever touch me. Over the almost 10 years we've been together, if we had sex more than once every other month, it was a miracle! He would say he wanted to have more sex, but that he'd get distracted...

...apparently he got distracted by all the porn. ;-/

Anyway, when I confronted him about these posts, he freaked out and grabbed my computer (laptop) and held it "hostage," like a little kid. This machine is my life as I am in law school and it has all my work on it. Later he tried removing the wireless router, which I pointed out was silly since I would be on a fully wireless campus in 12 hours... point is, he was trying to keep me from finding more. He was trying to control the situation and my reaction.

Finally, he calmed down and over the next month I have gotten out of him that he did this porn forum stuff because he was "curious" but he swears he never hooked up with anyone. Then he said that he never felt worthy of me and so he was looking for someone at his "level."

And, of course, he wants me to stay. I think this is cheating, as surely as if he had actually had sex with someone. He was interacting online with strangers, talking about sexual things, and that post about maybe finding the right sub girl...

I know ADDers want stimulation, but this is BS. 

Thoughts?

 

Comments

Stay with You

Don't know if the "I'm not worthy" statement is true, but in any event you should insist that he start therapy to work through this issue as well as his attraction to online porn.

It's hard to give you specific advice on how to handle this one for you, though.  Each person has to decide what the boundaries are for "acceptable" behavior.  It may or may not be true that your husband hasn't followed up...for me this is a big issue - is he putting your health at risk by being involved sexually with others, or is he fantasizing because he has other issues?  If he is genuinely interested in keeping you around and if you have strong feelings for him and think you wish to try again, then you might take a policy of "trust but verify".  You already know where he went on the computer (at least somewhat).  You can also ask for his cell phone records and start looking up numbers you don't recognize or that are called multiple times.  If he's being honest you won't find anything.  If he isn't, the cell phone records will probably give him away.

If/when you find something then you have some decisions to make.  My husband and I both had affairs during our marriage...yet we are not only still married, we are very happily married.  It was hard work to get past the anger that the affairs brought out, but we were able to.  Part of that healing process for me was to make an agreement that we would both be completely honest in our answers to any questions that were asked.  For me I needed to review cell phone records with him, needed to verify his stories with his girlfriend (who happily and unwittingly supplied the necessary information in an attempt to make me divorce him), it meant that when I told him I was going to contact his "ex" girlfriend some time in the next year to make sure they weren't seeing each other and wasn't going to tell him when it would be that he would have to accept that.  Those were some of the stipulations.  I didn't lie to him about what I intended or that I would need a year or so to start trusting him again without reservation - he could take my stipulations or not.  Same in the other direction.  He has complete access to my computer and phone records, and expects that I will either remain monogomous, or declare my intention not to and leave of my own accord.  Our final agreement - any infidelity at this point equals uncontested and immediate divorce.

With these agreements in place as backstops (haven't used any except contacting the ex girlfriend, which I did do and she isn't involved at all with him - in fact now hates his guts, which I find reassuring because it assures she would do something stupid and self-defeating if he did ever contact her again) we were able to move on.  We gave each other power and reassurances, hashed out what we each thought we needed to be able to create an environment in which we feel safe, and got down to the business of falling back in love with each other rather than other people.

I tell you this not because your situation is exactly the same, but because I don't think you should make any fast judgements about what you should do next.  You need to feel your way through this and see what works specifically for you.  The only specific request I would have for you is that you think clearly and deeply about your own interests, make some promises to yourself that protect them, and then keep those promises.

For you, I expect having your husband complete some sort of therapy or addiction program would be a good start, and thinking hard about what you need to feel trust again, or at least that you can't be "taken in" by sweet talk.  Ask yourself if there are any agreements that you can make with yourself first, then him second, that will set you on the road to repair...if that's what you want.  You, too, may wish to seek counselling to deal with your grief and anger.

Or, you may decide you're finished, which is also a way to deal with it.  If so, I would again seek counselling for your grief and hurt so that you can move on in a healthy way.

Melissa Orlov

online cheating

I too found out my husband (we are both medicated ADD) has been cruising porn sites and masterbating. He had been going to Sex Addicts Anonymous, but he tends to miss lots of meetings because of grad school. I realized after finding his searches that I needed to go to CoSA, which is for the partner of sexually addicted people. We have both been molested as kids. In my first two weeks of meetings, I have already gotten some strength and set some boundaries with him that I never could imagined just a month ago. Co Sex Addicts Anonymous and Sex Addicts Anonymous are 12 step programs that use the same principals as Alcoholics Anonymous. I hope this helps. D.

Sounds Like Sex/Porn Addiction...

Hi, From one spouse to another, your husband's behavior has all the hallmarks of sex/porn addiction - cruising secretly, rarely having sex with their real live willing spouse/significant other, trying to hide the evidence on the computer, crusing dating/sex partner boards looking for new partners, escalation into other sexual activities to heighten the stimulation, etc. I'd totally suggest therapy and a 12-step group for him as well as for you - and there are many to choose from: SA, SAA, COSA to name a few. We discovered my husband's sex/porn addiction first, then 10 years later got the ADHD diagnosis (although I suspected it all along). I have since found out that sex/porn addiction is VERY common in people (especially men) with ADHD because of that whole need for stimulation/instant gratification thing. The important thing for you to realize is that his addiction has nothing to do with you in that there is nothing that you could do (make yourself more available, be willing to try new and adventurous things, etc.) that would stop this - it is a compusion of his that is completely independent of you. That was hard for me to wrap my head around at first. I'd also let you know that by my own experiences in dealing with this and talking with others dealing with this - it is a slippery slope. Just because he isn't doing something yet does not mean he may not do more later. If he is posting to meet other partners, chances are probably good that he has either done it before or is getting ready to start trying it soon. Like others have said, I would encourage you to get some help for yourself, encourage him to get help, figure out your boundaries and then enforce them. Sex/porn addiction is destructive and unsafe behavior that kills marital intimacy. Left unchecked, it only gets worse over time. Hang in there!

Sounds Like Sex/Porn Addiction

I do understand what your husband is going thru. His behaviour is not a reflection on you. I too have had similar problems as a man with ADD. I am constantly aware of the danger of addiction. I also know it can get more exterme with time. No person wants to be an addict and completly out of control.

However, all is not lost. He is not some weird, weak, immoral selfish man. He is just someone with ADD seeking stimulation. Most probably he feels ashamed of himself with you. Novelty can be a big issue too with ADD. Both of you need to find out more about ADD and get help from ADHD specialists.

ADD cannot be cured but can be managed. With a true and an open heart both of you have the potential for true intimacy that sex can never provide. An intimacy born out of shared problems, the struggle to overcome and the effort to help someone. What more can anyone ask in a relationship?

His behaviour is not a weakness but a disease. You are not to blame neither is he. Both of you need education, a lot of courage to ask for help, to truly share and accept one another

 

No way.

I call BS on him not being to blame. He does not get a pass for his internet/porn behavior because he has ADD. Does an alcoholic who drives drunk not have to pay the fine/go to jail?

His behavior is NOT a disease. His behavior is a result of a disorder/disease. 

ADDers do NOT get to have it both ways--either you are responsible adults with challenges or you are incompetent adults who are not capable of controlling yourselves. As I understand it, the first is a more accurate descriptor. If so, then you must be RESPONSIBLE for your behavior.

one must answer for their own behavior

Amen to that!!!

Is blame, punishment & will power the better way forward?

just want to make it clear I meant "He is not to blame for having ADD and neither are you". What anyone does is up to them, their families and the law of the land.

There is an opportunity here to use common behaviour patterns of ADD sufferers and  use that information to improve your lives.  Universal self control is a very appealing behaviour model but is not always helpful in adjusting ones behaviour. I am trying to provide you with an idea of why your spouse is doing what he is. I am also trying to explain that you should not feel responsible for his behaviour. I am not making excuse for him either.

I don't see punishment as the most effective way to teach better behaviours. Not saying you should let him waste his life looking at porn either. Both of you need to understand and help each other if you are to have a healthier relationship.

Angry and annoyed as you feel now (which is totally understandable) there is a hope that you both can learn to  manage better with professional help, medication and better understanding of ADD.

I cannot get past how

I cannot get past how judgmental you are Adder. You have no idea how much research, education, therapy, etc. I or anyone posting on these forums have. You don't know how many years of research and effort I (and others) have put into understand ADD, trying to learn how to best live with someone who has it. 

The reason we partners of ADDers post here is so that we don't have to be constantly barraged with your (ADD-ers) side of the story. We live with that every minute of every day. We KNOW it is not intentional when you ignore or abuse us, etc. Why do you think so many of us stay in relationships that, if there was not ADD involved, would be considered unquestionably abusive? Because we KNOW the why and accept that. Because we are compassionate where so many of you are not.

So, to be clear: YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMIND US it's not our spouse, it's the ADD. Ever.

 

 

A little civility, please!!

I implore all of you not to fight with each other.  We do enough of that at home, which is why we are here.  Hopefully, we come to this site to learn more and to help each other.  Sometime, when we provide advice, it may be taken out of context, or we may not be clear enough in our words.  But please, give people the benefit of the doubt, lest they become afraid of contributing their ideas.  Take their comments as being contructive, and if they don't apply to you, or if you feel you were misunderstood, let it pass.  Everyone posting here is doing so with their identities shielded, so there should be no feelings of personal attacks.

Remember, let's keep it positive and constructive.  We all have lot's of the other stuff already in our lives - we don't need it here.

George

Forum for Both ADD and Non-ADD Spouses and Lili

I want to make it clear that this site and its forum are for both ADD and non-ADD spouses.  We treasure all input and I find (and so do many others) that there is much to learn by hearing the opinions of “both sides”.

One of the big issues in marriages affected by ADD is that of communication.  Lots of times people without ADD and people with ADD have trouble communicating well with each other – often because they misunderstand each other.   I did not read that ADDer was trying to be judgmental here, in fact just the opposite - it seemed to me that she (I think ADDer is a she) was trying to be helpful.

In any event, the larger issue is your own anger (which is clearly significant) and problems with your marriage.  It sounds as if you have been trying to work on it for quite a while and are frustrated by your lack of progress...I have picked up posts from you in other places and now have a backlog...will try to respond to any post that you have put up about your specific situation in the near future.  In the meantime, it's important that this remain a "safe" place for people to post their questions and thoughts.  Other than the direct attack, your content was fine, but next time you wish to "push back" (which is A-OK with me), please try to find a better tone for doing so - one that doesn't overtly attack the person, only their ideas.

Thanks for your help with this.

Melissa Orlov

Re: Forum for Both ADD & Non-ADD Spouses & Lili

Thank you Melissa for your explanation, you put it far better then I ever could have. It is true I am deeply discouraged from giving a perspective of somone with ADD now because of the hurt, anger & fear it generated and might generate. I felt deep emthy & pain for all the non-spouse ADDs as well as ADD spouses.

I could resist saying nothing and felt compelled to help by providing a different perspective (limited my own experience). I am well aware of my ADD aspect off upsetting people with my style of communication. I assumed it was a given that there has been a huge amount of effort and pain felt by all couples.

Please all of you guys I humbly apologies for hurtimg and offending you. I think you guys are fantastic for the concerns you show for your spouses and the effort you take to help this situation. I do not demean your hard work and effort in anyway however my words come across. Each person brings their own unique dynamics to a relationship. In my limited experience with ADD  sheer effort of will did not get me anyhwere no matter how hard I tried. Only a greater understanding of the various dynamics, a lot of effort & support has/is just keeping my head above the water. Thank you all for your communications painful as they were.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.