verbal abuse from ADD spouse
Submitted by jgsmom on Sat, 02/21/2009 - 15:02
My husband and I have been married for 5 years, it started out so well... He was my #1 fan and supporter, he was my very best friend and he went out of his way to make me feel safe, secure, and appreciated (I observed the same behavior in his dad with his mom.) That is why I fell in love with him and married him. I knew that he had ADD when I married him, he was diagnosed in 9th grade but until very recently I did not realize the enormous impact it has had on our marriage.
Let me preface this with telling you that 1. I am an educated woman who refuses to become a "victim." I call him out on his bad behavior and I stick up for myself not allowing what he says to make me question myself (as best I can) and I have read many books/articles ect. about ADD. I want to understand, to do my part. 2. I love my husband, he is a very good man. He has recently switched from his family doc to a psychiatrist (I initiated this change, found the psychiatrist) who specializes in ADD, he takes 100mg Vyvanse, he also just started seeing a behavioral therapist the psychiatrist recommended. I have not met with him yet but I plan to as soon as possible. He comes from a very loving and healthy home with very supportive parents. He is a full time professional firefighter/Paramedic and full time student graduating (B.A. in Public Administration) with a 3.7 GPA with plans to work on his Masters Degree. He is highly functioning, intelligent, and helps out alot around the house and with our 9 month old daughter, he is a wonderful father and completely adores her. However, He is a terrible procrastinator and needs to work harder at remembering things, completing tasks, keeping promises, and actively listening without interrupting. These are things I know we can and will work through.
My main concerns are his lack of control over his emotions, his lack of empathy, and his willingness to "cross the line", or "hit below the belt." I can not trust my husband and it is extremely hard to show him the respect he feels he deserves. We desprately need help, not just for the sake of our marriage but also to be a good example to our daughter and provide her with a safe, happy, loving and secure home. I want to trust and respect him, I really do, he does not make it easy and there is no time to waste.
He is emotionally very reactive, speaking without thinking, reckless with his words/actions and talking with him is alot like trying to reason with a teenager. He has lied to me about important things. When I ask if he is lying he denies it, so to avoid a fight I ignore my intuition and I choose to believe him. Then it will come out later that he did indeed lie but because it was in the past I shouldn't hold it against him now. He has a completely irrational and emotionally devastating temper. He does not "fight fair" nor does he seem to understand the consequences/harm his tactics have on me and our marriage. We frequently (avg. 3-4 times a month) have horrible fights that usually start over him being angry over something small, like crumbs left on the countertop. He gets so angry and expresses his fustration with such utter disregard for my feelings that we end up in this tornado of chaos with him frequently "hitting below the belt" by saying emotionally devastating things to me like what a horrible wife/mother i am and how it is because of me that he gets so angry, that I am the controlling one. He seems more interested in "winning" the fight than solving the problem, and he sees things as either his way or my way with no room for compromise. After the "tornado" has hit its climax, usually with me leaving in hysterical tears, and he has settled down, he seems sincerely sorry and he tells me he did not mean the things he said, that I am a wonderful wife and mother and he feels so lucky to have me, that he knows that most people wouldn't stick around to work this out with him and that he will get his anger under control and treat me better. Until the next fight... This is a pattern also extremely familiar to his parents and sister who used to have to lock herself in the bathroom to get away from him when they were younger. Although I have never spoken to any of his co-workers about it I know, because of what he has told me, that he abuses his co-workers as well.
He has driven extremely recklessly with me in the vehicle, thrown things, punched holes in the wall and slammed doors. I do not know how to lead up to this but I think it is important to mention, our sexlife is non-existant. There are several reasons, his ADD, a new baby, I am on 50mg of zoloft, all the hurt and resentment, but also the fact that he is very selfish in this department. I have to ask/remind him, when he has finished, for my climax. He has responded with a heavy sigh and/or puts so little effort into it that I can't stand it so I just don't want to do it anymore. How can you treat someone you claim to love so much this way? I feel very betrayed, tricked. This is not the man I fell in love with. We used to have a fabulous sexlife.
I want to make this marriage work, and I believe he does too. He is taking the right steps with the psychiatrist, meds, therapy, in this way I am truly blessed. But I am emotionally exhausted and have alot of deep wounds that need to heal, trust that needs to be rebuilt. My husband says he accepts that his anger has been the source of many of our problems, but also feels the need to remind me that he has issues with me, that from what i can understand stem from his need for me to respect him. This deflates my hope, because he still doesn't seem to see how he makes it impossible for me to respect/depend on him without him getting his anger/other issues under control first. I am not perfect, and I know that I own some of the blame for why we are where we are but I feel like I am bleeding out here and he is complaing about a scrape on the knee! I am deperate, I need him to be the man I married. I need him to really understand and own the hurt and damage he has caused, how else will it ever change? I need hope, something so that i can believe that things will get better, that I will have my best friend back, the man that was so supportive and appreciative, loving, generous.......

Comments
verbal abuse from ADD spouse
by newfdogswife - 02/22/2009 - 10:59
My ADD spouse had extreme anger issues, also. In fact, in our 27 years of marriage, I can never remember him not being angry about something and that something could be anything! We fought often but without resolve because of our lack of communication. It wasn't until a major blowup, when "I" totally lost it, which was not my style, I'm usually very calm, cool and collected and not a fan of confrontation, that our communication with each other changed. It broke the ice, that for many years I was afraid to, because of having to deal with his reaction. Well, as a result, I think it put him in a state of shock, that somebody was standing up to him. That hadn't happened in a long time. Our better communication allowed us to talk about his anger(same as your's: driving recklessly with me in the vehicle, throwing things, punching holes in walls, slamming doors) and me asking him the question, If these aren't signs of anger then what are they? I was able to let him know that because of this I had lost my respect for him many, many years ago. He did begin going to therapy and his anger issues were one of the first things they began working on. I think sometimes they abuse us even if the anger has nothing to do with us, just because we're there and they are in a comfort zone where nobody else can see. They must own up for their behavior. My husband's therapist had him watch a series of tapes on anger and even though I was not a part of that, it helped him tremendously. While we are still working through this ADD journey, dealing with the anger issues was a major hurdle that we have conquered and my respect for my husband is increasing on a daily basis. I have told him that and I hope that he feels good about it. Respect is very important in a relationship, both ways, and without it can lead to a path of destruction.
Verbal Abuse
by MelissaOrlov - 02/22/2009 - 15:10
You are doing many things right, and I commend your efforts as well as your approach. It sounds to me as if your absolute best bet for recovery is anger therapy for your husband, just as newfdog's wife writes about with her husband (see below). As you have stated, you should pursue fixing this immediately, before it hurts you further.
When he apologizes to you, what do you say? I'm hoping that it's something like "I appreciate that you care enough about me to try to apologize, but I must tell you that because this is a recurring event in our household, your ongoing actions are more important to me right now than your apology. You need to take responsibility for getting your anger under control. I so look forward to being able to treat you with the love and respect you deserve, but find that your anger is hurting me so much that I can't get past it. Please take care of your anger so that we can start to have a more normal life again."
As for the sex, I think it probably is a reflection of your underlying issues as a couple. Interactions can change there without your realizing it. Perhaps you are unconsciously doing what I was doing...I found that the dynamics of our sexual relationship shifted subtly when we were fighting...I would wait for my husband to "prove" to me that he cared about me through taking charge in sex, (rather than the more even back and forth we had had before) so I backed away a bit and as a result he focused more on himself then I blamed him for not being interested in satisfying me, and things got worse....
Anyway, you need an "objective" third party to help your husband understand your hurt...so please find a marriage counselor who understands ADD.
verbal abuse
by jgsmom - 02/22/2009 - 17:22
Thanks so much, both of you for your advice and support. To answer your question Melissa, yes. When he apologizes I always say I do appreciate the apology but I need to see action. He says he understands, but the viscous circle keeps on spinnin'.
This week-end we had a bit of an intervention, his parents had long talks with us and are very supportive, they seem to really understand my hurt but my husband seems to be completely missing the point. If I were him, I would be remorseful, apologetic, and thankful that my spouse has been strong enough and loved me enough to stick around and work on this. I would be doing everything in my power to show them how sorry I am, and with every chance I had to show them evidence of how hard I am working to resolve this problem. My husband says the words " I am sorry" and "I take full responsibility for my anger" BUT then, in the same breath, he says that I shouldn't forget that it took two of us to get here and that he has resentments of his own about me!!! Am I crazy or is that completely unbelieveable?? This does not sound like he really understands what has happened, or that he is accepting resposibility at all? How am I supposed to have hope that this is going to change if this is what he thinks?
Question for all ADD/ADHDers about abuse/anger
by Steph - 02/23/2009 - 09:48
I truly appreciate the frank and honest posts from all of you. I have learned a great deal from you and have tried to be more understanding toward my ADHD husband based on that. I would really like to hear from those of you ADDers who have those anger and abuse issues that many non-add spouses (including me) are writing about. Could you explain or describe what it is like for you either hearing from a hurt spouse how you have disrespected/hurt/abused them again or if you do recognize that anger and abuse in yourself as you are doing it...what is that like for you??? Are you on medication for that specific symptom? Does it work? What helps? Please help me understand this side of my husband. He is not as self aware as many of you are in your postings. Please help me help him. I really want to understand this!
Thank you and God bless!
Steph
Verbal Abuse Response
by MelissaOrlov - 02/23/2009 - 11:32
Hmmm... The answer I'm going to give you may not be the one that you want to hear, but here goes...
I would take his response as an opportunity to say "let's talk about this". Your husband IS missing the point, or at least part of it, but until he thinks you are hearing him then he is likely to keep on missing the point. My husband says that the absolute hardest thing about being a person with ADD and making a better marriage is figuring out that your actions really, truly are hurting your spouse...and how much. When he says this, what he means is both understanding that your actions hurt someone AND understanding that only he is responsible for them (not you). You can see this in other posts on the site...one recently, for example, with an ADD person who is hurt that his wife has left him after 15 years and now, finally, sees how badly he has hurt her. It takes a lot to have the person get this revelation.
That said, I observe that the non-ADD spouse is also often complicit in not fully seeing her own role in how the couple isn't getting along. Sometimes this is a matter of mis-matched perceptions. The non-ADD spouse may be trying to be helpful when suggesting ideas for getting around ADD issues (for example) while the ADD spouse sees it as stepping all over his authority and completely intrusive behavior. It's important that you listen to your spouse's cries of "you're contributing to our pain" just as readily as you would like him to listen to yours. Else you are asking him to listen at the same time that you are unwilling to do so...not a great example to set.
Your husband's response deserves respect in that he obviously has something he wants to bring to your attention. How he does so is important. Make sure he's constructive (not dumping on you) and thoughtful, and give his ideas full consideration. Then, reverse roles. Give him your perspective in a thoughtful way, and ask that he give you full consideration.
A therapist who understands ADD could be very helpful with this, as could (maybe) your in-laws (depending upon how involved they want to be) though be wary of relying on them too much, as they have their own baggage. Also, hold your husband to his words about taking full responsibility for his anger. He needs to not only own it - he needs to actively do something about it before it further hurts your relationship. Point out that if he truly does take responsibility for it then he shouldn't be blaming others for its origin. (By listening to his thoughts, by the way, you strengthen your hand in this argument, because when he comes back at you and says "you make me angry" you can say "yes, I heard you say that and I understand your points better now...and I'm now working hard to make sure I don't do that anymore...time for you to do your share, too.")
Hope this helps.
Thank you.... I needed that
by jgsmom - 02/23/2009 - 16:07
Thank you.... I needed that validation. " Yes, he is missing the point" "He does not understand how much he has hurt me/us" and "understanding that only he is responsible for his actions that have been so damaging."
If he really understood these things it would be so much easier to have confidence that this time things really are different, things might really change. I guess only time will tell. Also, yes, I have read so much about A.D.D lately that I am sure that I tell him things about his A.D.D in an effort to help him recognize things. I can see how that could come off in a bad way. I have to be patient and leave him be. I am calling to set up an appointment for me today with a therapist that specializes in A.D.D and marriage.
Thanks so much Melissa. You have helped me tremendously in a very desperate time.
How to withstand from verbal abuse?
by Blue25 from PH - 02/24/2009 - 04:39
For Blue25
by MelissaOrlov - 02/25/2009 - 10:21
I've read a lot of posts about and by people with ADHD. I'm not a doctor. But I don't think your ex girlfriend has ADHD. Or, if she does, it's with something else.
I want to strongly encourage you to do 2 things. First, DO NOT get back together with this woman. SHe is very bad for your self-esteem. She has not earned your love through her actions and the chances of your ever being happy with her are very, very slim. Second, please find a therapist for yourself. You need to explore why it is you were willing to stay with someone who was so (I'll use the word) abusive to you. This was not a healthy relationship and you need to understand yourself better so that you won't fall into a different relationship with someone else that is equally unhealthy. Getting some professional help should be a good start for you as you seek to find a good, healthy partner.
Thank you for sharing your story.
I'd agree with Melissa here,
by David - 03/06/2009 - 11:45
For Melissa and Morpheus
by Blue25 from PH - 03/09/2009 - 06:06
Verbal Abuse and ADD
by greenlife - 02/27/2009 - 15:04
you've said it better than i ever could
by Anonymous - 03/04/2009 - 14:26
Take care of you
by jgsmom - 03/05/2009 - 16:56
My heart goes out to you. I am so sorry to hear of your situation, as you know, I can relate. My husband and I are seeing a great therapist about these issues but I still worry that there may be too much damage done, day by day. I would like to really encourage you to remember the things about you that you love. Take care of you. Gather strength from God, and firmly stand your ground, do not compromise on the things you need from your husband to heal you and your marriage. Do not forget that you are a valuable person and that this is his problem! You have stood by him through all of this garbage where many people would have left long ago, which says that you are very committed, determined and have a huge capacity for love and forgiveness. He has to acknowlege that this is abuse and is unacceptable, then he needs to work overtime with a sincere heart to prove to you that he wants to do whatever it takes to build your trust in him. If he can't see how valuable you are it is because all of his "garbage" is blocking his view. So if he refuses to do the work, whatever it takes, to get rid of that "garbage" he will never treat you or your daughter the way you deserve. You are worth much more than that. I hope I am not overstepping, I am not a therapist, I just know how much you are hurting and I really want you to remember that you are valuable and you do deserve someone who would love you the way you love him, and would provide a good example for your daughter. Take care of you and your daughter, I will pray for you.
Recently Discovered Affair
by MelissaOrlov - 03/10/2009 - 17:21
I, too, am so sorry for your situation. As you know from this site, I've been there too. It's too painful for words.
The thing that helped me most was to think NOT in terms of saving the marriage but rather in terms of CHANGING the relationship. Doing this allowed me to look at what I needed as a person in order to be whole again, and allowed me to see my husband as a separate entity outside of my control. It's too easy to fall into the trap of thinking that "saving the marriage" is the be all and end all, but it's not. Because if you give up yourself to save the marriage, it will ultimately fail in any event and you will be completely miserable that you weren't true to yourself.
Your husband has served you notice that he is not to be controlled by you (often part of what an affair is) as well as that he's not happy with your relationship. That may come from unrealistic expectations on his part about what a relationship with a stable and caring women looks like (vs. the "exciting" other woman). Sounds as if the relationship isn't what you would like, either (I noted your comment that you are both holding down a job AND raising your child full time without his help.)
If your relationship (again, forget the marriage for a moment) were perfect, what would it look like? Make a list of the things you want and need to feel fulfilled in this or any other relationship. Be specific. Then think about what YOU could do to move you along that path with this man and what you are going to ask him to contribute. Your counselor can help you with this process.
Affairs take a long time to get over. Forgive yourself for the bad thoughts you are going to have, and find a safe place (either with him or with a counselor or friend) to "mourn" when these come up. As an example, it took me some time to get past imagining how much fun my husband was probably having sexually with his girlfriend. Sometimes this would stop me dead while we were having sex (since I was feeling pretty down on myself at that point). So I gently talked with him about it and told him that I needed his patience with this for a while...and that if I got messed up in my head what I needed was for him to slow down and just hold me and tell me he loved me until I could overcome my grief a bit and move on. Since we talked, and since I had asked for something specific, he was able to do this for me a couple times until I got over this aspect of my recovery.
Another part of my recovery was reminding myself that my imagination is far more vivid than real life ever could be, and by spending lots of time dwelling on imagining what their relationship was like I was only hurting myself, no one else. In point of fact, their relationship was good, and bad. I know she reemed him out good when the going got tough...the women on the other side aren't perfect, either.
Which means that the best that you can do is be yourself, stand up for yourself, and remember that you will always have a relationship with this man - even if you don't end up staying married to him (because you have a child together). Hang in there, accept your own role with humility but don't let him "scare" you or "threaten" you into compromise. Time to be you.
And, yes, he answers "I don't know if we can" because he truly doesn't know right now. Neither do you, if you're being honest about it. But your best bet is to stand tall and proud, be as nice a person as you can be (like you were before all this hurt started and you were feeling betrayed and angry), do the right and ethical thing. Even try to have some fun and lighten up together (does wonders for your relationship to be able to leave the shit behind once in a while - otherwise the "other woman" gets to have all the fun while you wallow in your mutual problems). Either he'll see the woman he loves re-emerge (as my husband did) and really commit to trying or he'll be too scared (which you have no control over).
Oh, and one more thought. I don't know your husband at all, but there is a good chance that this IS the man you married. Remember that your life when you married was significantly "lighter" and easier, you were happier, thinner, didn't have a child, and you weren't negotiating all the time about life's hassles. You are the woman he married - in person and feeling, at least - but your SITUATION is not the situation he married. Some men change to accomodate their surroundings and life's events more easily than others. So as you make that list, think about whether or not there is middle ground that you can meet in. Do you have to be as hard-driving as you are? Are there ways he can take on some responsbilities without feeling so burdened that he longs to escape?
Good luck, and keep us posted.
Where is the line?
by Mary - 02/26/2009 - 21:32
anger issues
by MelissaOrlov - 03/04/2009 - 12:13
I think that someone familiar with ADD might help, though it may be that there are other issues going on as well (sleep apnea???) Obviously it could benefit you both if you could put your finger on what is going on.
The shower incident sounds scary and extremely disconcerting (to say the least). I used to get furious at my hubby when he interfered with my sleep, and would sometimes yell at him (and I'm not ADD). This was a result of my complete and utter anger at him when I felt as if he was "ruining" my life. It's unclear to me whether or not your husband's anger is a reflection of his feelings about your marriage and relationship or whether it might be an ADD thing (if he really is ADD and not something else). In any event, I don't diagnose things (not being a doctor) BUT the real issue is that things are bad between you and it's time to work them out.
Since you don't mention that he has beaten you in any way, it sounds as if it might be time to start standing your ground and point out to him that you understand fully that your marriage is not in good shape right now and that you wish to work with him to make things better for both of you. That would mean working through determining what the most destructive elements are for both of you and then having both of you address the issues of greatest concern. A therapist can help you with this, and probably should given the dynamics you describe - but if you really think he has ADD then you should probably seek out someone who has experience with couples (different from individual therapy), and knows a bit about ADD. Talk with your current therapist about what might make a good game plan, perhaps practicing how you might approach this subject with your hubby.
You might also read Steven Stosny's "You Don't Have to Take It Anymore" as this is an excellent treatise on the "walking on eggshells" part of your relationsihp and what you can do about it that's constructive.
You know you can't go on like this - time to insist that it starts to get fixed. And, keep reaching out for positive reinforcement...
abuse- warning signs
by Steph - 03/13/2009 - 07:47
My husband is very verbally abusive and has been throughout most of our marriage (NEVER while dating though). Last night while watching a show about the Chris Brown/ Rhianna incident he made some pretty disturbing statements about how Rhianna probably deserved it, that she is at fault for going back to him and that she deserves it in the future just because of that. I was of course horrified at his reaction. I have suspected that his father was/is physically abusive to his mother...I KNOW for a fact that he is verbally abusive her. Disgustingly so. I also know that my husband had a previous relationship that ended violently, not with him hitting her to my knowledge but it was intense-he said there was a police report. Later on in the evening with no provocation, he grabbed my arm tightly and told me not to hold his arm. I wasn't holding it, I was nudging it off of my chest because I was uncomfortable while trying to sleep. What scared me was the tone of his voice when he said that to me. I was so scared that I was literally frozen in place and didn't talk much after that. This morning he acted like nothing happened which doesn't surprise me since he kissed me right after that. He often switches moods in mere seconds or minutes. Raging one minute to wanting a hug at the next. Anyway, he is in a borderline bad mood this morning. I know him enough to know when he is spoiling for a fight. I feel bad for the people at work today! My question is this: Should I be worried or was that incident nothing? Just me being sensitive? Does verbal abuse always lead to physical abuse?
Thanks
Steph
No toleration for abuse! EVER!!!!
by optomistic - 03/13/2009 - 10:24
Hi steph,
I know you write a lot on this blog and that is a good thing. I'am writting you to you about what you just wrote.Steph I 'am concerned for you. "the Chris Brown/ Rhianna incident he made some pretty disturbing statements about how Rhianna probably deserved it" Oh please be careful NO ONE EVER EVER DESERVES TO BE HIT!...No one deserves that EVER! I would like to tell some things.(if you don't mind) I helped a lady who came into our church one night and needed help. She ended up telling me that she was running away from another state because she was beaten and choked from her live in boyfriend of almost 10yrs. She ended up in jail ( long story) and lost their kid I helped her alot. she got away from him and kept going back. she ended up back here for some things on her reccord and is on probation. She is living with him again. After talking with her and reminding her of all the things this whimp did to her she says I'am right but she can't leave him. She told me that they are not fighting anymore but I feel her life is in danger. Also I know a pastor and his wife who have a ministry at the womens correctional and after telling him all the things my husband did and where he was headed. ( this was after he was arrested on campus) he gave me advice to get out while I can. He said so many women stay in abusive situations and they are the ones who suffer greatly. He said so many women end up in jail because of their mates. One women who told the story to our church one night after years of verbal and mental abuse she just couldn't take it anymore and stabbed her husband. she is doing well now but is still in jail. of course thats the extreme side but if your husband says things like that and you feel scared I would not think that you are sensitive but not safe either. Yes verbal abuse can lead to physical abuse. Once a person is out of control with their anger it can lead to devastation. If your husband comes from a abusive home he is in the generation of abusers. If he doen't want to stop the next generation(kids) then you need to figure out what you want for your life! You seem to have a big heart please don't let someone break it..There is nothing optomistic about abuse of anykind. Your husband sounds like its just more than adhd. My husband never believes in hurting a woman even through all the crap he put me through. Be careful PLEASE!!!! If your husband grabbed your arm and scared and hurt you that is NOT o.k. I'am not sorry if my words seem hard I'am very concerned about you. Go talk to someone even the abuse helpline to just talk about it . Its all confidential.I will be praying for you .Keep in touch God Bless...
To Optomistic
by Steph - 03/15/2009 - 10:47
Thank you for your concern. It makes me feel better knowing that someone cares. I just want to put it out there though that he has not hit me yet. I never felt he would even when his rage was so out of control and intense, however in light of some of his recent comments, now I am not so sure. I will mention all this to my counselor when I go next week and see what she has to say about the situation. She is aware of the generational thing as well. I am being cautious and trying hard not to do or say anything that will cause him to get upset, although there are many times in the past that he has flown into a rage without any warning.
I will continue to read and write on this site as it is my source of peace and while nothing changes, at least I know I am not alone in this.
Bless you
Steph
potential abuse
by MelissaOrlov - 03/16/2009 - 08:46
I would suggest that you do some research into local organizations (or national ones) who can give you more information about the patterns that indicate abuse is likely. Certainly having a family history of abuse is one of them...You want to know how to leave safely if that becomes necessary. Ask your counselor for places you can get more information - don't just rely on this site, for this is not a site about abuse, and we may reassure you that you aren't alone, but we can't really help you physically avoid abuse...you have to do that yourself. Thanks.
where is the line
by tryingtozenit - 07/28/2009 - 07:04
I've gone thru that for most of the 22 years of my marriage. I regret that I did not leave. Now it is really too late for many reasons. I hope that he is going to follow up on the possiblity that he has ADD. The verbal abuse got so bad several times that I got all of the paperwork together, an attorney and told him it was over. Then he would go for counselling, finally antidepressants helped but it has not been worth it in the long run. It is very rare now that he yells at me but I feel just as abused over our financial situation and his lack of insight into how his problems affect me. I feel painful inside and out, my spirit is broken, I have a hard time asserting myself because he is so defensive it's not worth bringing anything up. Why ask for what I need when I'll be hammered on and told that I am selfish. Then there are the good parts of him that are strong enough to make me doubt myself.
oppositional mindset
by jgsmom - 04/24/2009 - 10:25
Well, things have been progressing slowly and tediously like trying to push a 300lb boulder up a hill. Since we started counseling my husband is better about not losing his temper, and I can see that he is trying but only in his own way which is not working for me. He has such a defiant/oppositional mindset that he refuses to do what I ask and need him to do (or to clarify, he is reluctantly doing the bare minimum) for me to feel like he is truly remorseful and that he really understands the impact his verbal abuse has had on our relationship. It feels like he is fighting me every step of the way.
I am not asking for anything unreasonable, I just want to feel like we are on the same team, for him to consider my feelings/perspective, our relationship as a whole, when evaluating whatever situation arises but he doesn't seem to understand how to get past his own perspective, how to work together, which usually comes off very selfish and unreasonable. Let me give you an example, we watched the movie "Fireproof." It is about a couple on the brink of divorce because of the same reasons we are, but in the end they reconcile because the husband learns how to love his wife through this book called "The Love Dare." This book reads like a daily devotional, it teaches you how to truly love your spouse with daily reminders and then "dares" you to do something that day, like " no matter what do not say anything negative to your spouse today." I rented it because I thought he might see how our relationship is similar, recognize how his behavior affects us like the character in the movie. Then I went out and got the "Love Dare" book, I thought that this would be a good way for him to show me that he is willing to do what it takes to save our marriage. I asked him to please read it, and surprisingly he was agreeable, though he refused to do the "dares" ( I was disappointed, but happy that he was at least willing to read it). He started out okay, but after reading about 4 days worth he quit. This was a very simple task, it only takes a few minutes a day to read, I was so disappointed. So I asked him to talk about it, he lied to me saying that he was reading it when I told him I knew he was lying he got very upset, would not admit to lying about it but then promised to start reading it again and this time he would do the dares. Again after a few days he quit. His commitment to this book is very much like his commitment to the well being of our marriage. He gets so angry with me for not being able to trust him not realizing (though I am always trying to explain) that he makes it impossible for me to do so by lying to me and being so reckless with his words (verbal abuse).
So, to sum it up I feel like I am married to a defiant teenager. He "sings louder than me instead of trying to harmonize"-- If I say red he will say blue, seemingly just because I said red. I feel that you teach people how to treat you by treating them the way you wish to be treated and by explaining to them what you need to feel safe, secure and loved by them. I am so tired of always having to "rise above" and be "the bigger person" giving him chance after chance to do things his way, to show me how much he says he loves me, how much he says he is "doing everything he can" to create a healthy, happy relationship with me all the time listening to what I say I need but never following through, still not reading the book, still trying to do things his way.
How do I get him to see how much happier we would both be if he would just be more open to my feelings and opinions? To at least consider them? To work as a team? I have not given him any reason to feel that he can not trust me this way, I really believe this is a mindset he has.
similar abusive add problems
by bailey - 04/28/2009 - 14:17
I am going through almost the same thing and reading your initial post just made me weep. I found this site today after sending a note to my husband's therapist explaining that he is getting into a verbally abusive cycle again. I was desperate to make it stop before it starts all over again. I love him and despite what I say below, I care very much and want to help him get over this. He needs his family and we need him. He can be such an amazing man when he wants to be and when he is not in a bad cycle. We have been married 18 yrs. His mother is also the same way - very belligerent and verbally abusive to people - even in restaurants and groups she belongs to. Despite all his wonderful qualities, he gets obnoxious and belligerent sometimes and makes horrible, cutting remarks to me.
Here is the most recent example: our son moved out 3 months ago in a rage and got in a fight with my husband which almost turned physical between them. My parents got involved later by phone and my mother got very nasty, telling me we were bad parents. My son is diagnosed with behavioral problems of his own and my mother was furious that I had talked to a professional about him cutting himself and drinking/drugs. My mother lives in another country, does not really know my son or my life, but she was getting very aggressive. She wanted me to pretend everything was okay and condone drugs or drinking to keep my son close. She was furious that I listened to my son's psychologist and did what they said and not what she said. Anyway, this turned into a situation where my parents and sister stopped talking to me, my son is gone and he dropped out of college with just a few days left when he had all As and is now working at a Hardees trying to support himself. He was even mugged, but still stayed away from home and I could not convince him to come him.
So my husband is getting into his "tantrum cycle" now. Last night he was in another rage and started insulting me and telling me I have no friends, and nobody wants anything to do with me (ie: my parents and our son). This is just killing me. It hurts so bad, but he will not let up. Tonight he will come home and resume his anger and insults or stomp around in a rage. He has also put holes in walls and threatened to use a reciprocating saw to come into the bedroom when I locked myself in there. So when he gets like that, I am not supposed to lock him out of "his" bedroom. The amount of pain I am in having lost my entire family is horrible and he knows it. I haven't been able to sleep at night for months. He has all sorts of friends at work, but I am studying at home for my MBA. I have friends, but I am happier to have a few friends I trust instead of being Miss Popularity.
For 18 yrs my husband always gets into these verbally abusive behaviors preceding every single visit with his mother - he literally puts our whole family through the wringer and rips us to shreds for weeks. After the visit with his mother is over, he will be fine and acts like he doesn't know what he did wrong.
Plus, he gets ideas in his head that are totally wrong, and can be proven wrong, but he will not admit it. Our daughter is a bit overweight but she works out at home. Because he is not there to see it, he accuses her of being lazy and not working out. Even after I tell him she has worked out, he refuses to believe it and keeps badgering her like a dog that won't let go of a bone until she cries. He won't quit and he does the same with me. He'll say things like "I know what you're trying pull" when I am not trying to do anything. He gets himself convinced I am planning some revenge on him and always assumes the worst about me. For example, his mother is 90 and was having hip surgery last fall. I wanted her to wait, but she was very impatient and did not want to see if the hip would get better first or really investigate the cause of her back/hip pain. A friend had told her she had a new hip so my MIL wanted one too. I advised waiting and getting adequate medical opinions first, because she is a bit of a hypochondriac and had convinced doctors on previous occasions that she needed surgery, which she did not need in the end. I did not want to see her have complications from surgery, because at 90 yrs old in the middle of a flu epidemic, I thought it was risky and she lives alone, very far away from us with no other family if something happened. Well, he was treating me horribly for months for saying she should hold off on the surgery for a few months. He accused me of wanting to see her in pain. I am a good person, I work as a volunteer trying to save lives - I would never hurt anyone or wish to see anyone in pain, ever. I have a very soft heart and this really hurt me, that he would think this of me, but he didn't care. He had it in his head that I had ulterior motives which was not true. I simply wanted the lady to delay and ensure this surgery would be okay and would help, not hurt her.
He also lies a lot and gets caught in his lies very often - mostly regarding when he left work. I like to have him home for dinner before 7 but he is always late and refuses to get up earlier so he can spend time with his family. If I cook a big dinner, he will say he is not hungry because he ate out at lunch. He will not take any constructive criticism and walks around like he has a big chip on his shoulder all the time. He acts like he is jealous of me doing my MBA and will purposely try to derail my work. It will build to a blow up and then, boom, he'll be fine for 8-9 months and it will start all over again, but I will be left torn to shreds for months.
I don't have the first clue what to do. He won't tell me what his doctor says usually, but I was invited to fill out some tests. He was going to get his mother to fill them out, meanwhile she hasn't lived with him for 25 years!!! She doesn't have any idea what he is like at home. When I asked him if he wanted to talk about it, that I would be open, he said "You are the last person I would talk to about anything." He can be so cruel and he doesn't seem to care enough to stop doing it.
No Hope
by hope09 - 07/27/2009 - 10:59
I can't take the verbal abuse anymore. It's so bad and he won't stop. It's beyond walking on eggshells...I'm petrified to speak. I try to be so gentle, patient, loving and caring and I'm bashed like I'm scum. I'm losing my self worth and I'm taking 2 antidepressants because it has gotten so bad. Although he had outbursts when we met he used to love and cherish me...now he says he hates me and being around him makes him feel uncomfortable. What happened? The doctor increased his zoloft and gave him ADHD medication on a need to take basis. He has NO control over his behavior and is a monster. I've really tried...I feel like there is no hope.