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  • ADHD Anonymous? by: Goodsign 6 months 2 weeks ago

    I am looking for a support group for spouses of ADHD. It was recommended to me that I find a 12-step program, but I don't feel like the codependent group is right for me. Does anyone know of an online support group for non ADHD spouses?

     

  • Friendship post divorce by: Swedish coast 6 months 2 weeks ago

    After thinking I had lost the entire relationship with my ADD ex-husband soon-to-be, this weekend I managed to turn things around. Still living with me, and having hurt me badly, he has done nothing to make the last weeks bearable. He hasn't taken initiatives to prepare for the separation either. I've been in agony. Thursday, I decided to go against the impulse to run away for the weekend. Instead I decided to sit down with him, be kind despite everything, and suggest a plan. It worked.

    Sure, we're splitting our home, but we've now been working together all weekend on it. All belongings have been divided, even the silliest ones. There was even some joking. Gratitude expressed on both sides. All kinds of little kindnesses. At times crying and hugging. 

    This autumn has been the strangest time so far. I'm exhausted today, from the sheer physical act of turning things around. Happy too. Not so deep into thinking of how futile everything has been.

    Everything is simultaneously true. I privately think he's more or less ruined my life. I feel the deepest connection with him. He is someone I can trust, and not at all. We are each other's support, and threaten each other's health. I might know him so well, and still have no idea of his thoughts, or what his future life might be like.

    Im hoping for a friendship that will sheath our children. It's more important than my pride or sense of justice. 

    Only a couple of weeks ago I thought I could never forgive him. Now, such thoughts seem beside the point. It's all about moving along with things, as my woman friend the chaos pilot said. Adapting to reality seems to gain you a strange quality. It's vulnerable. It is also surprisingly attractive. A new version of self is coming forward.

    Thank you dear community for the sharing of thoughts and emotions. It helps me immensely to put this into words.

  • What happens when a covert narcissist controls a person with ADD/ADHD? by: skippylongstock 6 months 3 weeks ago

    Has anyone experienced a covert narcissist controlling and manipulating someone with ADD/ADHD(dx or ndx)?

    I'm looking for advice as my recent ex partner has this happening to her but she is either oblivious to it or not willing to accept it and going along with it, I'm aware that she is the only one who can come to the realisation and take the first steps to make any changes . I shared that I had the realisation that her mum is a covert narcissist and shared evidence to back up my findings, after her mum broke us up with her lies and smear campaign about me.

    I'm still deeply in love with my ex (I was planning on proposing and we were going to be buying a house before she unexpectedly broke up with me after spending a night at her mums house after an argument) I mainly just want her to be safe and away from being controlled and manipulated. 

    Any personal experience with a (covert) narcissistic parent to a child with ADD/ADHD? Any advice on what to do or not do? 

  • Ex- husband using ADHD post- divorce diagnosis to gain sympathy and slander me by: nefun76 6 months 3 weeks ago

    I mentioned early this year that my ex ADHD husband cheated on me with a mutual friend after claiming to be to be traveling  on business but went to meet her and she helped him file for an international divorce.

    He has been using his new ADHD diagnosis to gain sympathy from our family and friends and exonerate himself from his hurtful behavior while painting me as a villain and I that I emotionally abused him

    meanwhile his co- dependency on me was extreme . He uses my strength and capacity for his own survival.  He suffers from acute RSD too and every criticism is an attack. He was very envious of me and felt my business success then intimidated  him. Ironically I was extremely supportive of all his businesses, he set up 5 businesses in 15yrs, took on huge loans and was deep in debt . I took on a lot of financial responsibilities  and also raised and cared for kids and household alone. I stopped expecting his help because it was too exhausting always also him to do things which clearly needed to be done . He only did things that interested him, either he's in front of the TV, in the bedroom or in the study's. The roof could come down and he would not flinch

    My biggest hurt now is that though  he has acknowledged his ADD and the huge impact on it on the failed marriage , he refuses to acknowledge the pain and agony  I went through and even says I deserve it. He's so resentful  and bitter especially because he has to pay child support . He wanted to start a new life with his mistress and make no commitments to the children. 

    He has such a huge victim mentality and because  he seems easy going and reserved , many people only se this. I don't bother because those those that matter  know the truth 

    I am about to get order against him now because  he's becoming an emotional liability to our teenage daughter, trying to win her over to his side and telling her it's better to come from a broken home than a toxic home. He's so emotionally irresponsible  and immature  

  • Rejection Sensitivity and Codependence, Oh My by: Bridgewater 6 months 3 weeks ago

    20+ years of marriage to an ADHD spouse who was just diagnosed about 3 years ago. We have 3 kids who are all teenagers now and still at home. My husband was unemployed for about 6 years and has been employed in a good job for a few years now. He is very smart, creative and talented, and his contributions at work are really appreciated. We have a lot of very typical dynamics in play in our marriage, most notably what I have seen termed the "pursuit-retreat" pattern. This pattern is typical for *anything* that is asked of him outside of his job. He does not do things around or outside the house that were formerly in his wheelhouse (he is very handy and good at repairing things and getting good deals). He spends his time outside of work resting in bed, playing with the kids and overwhelmingly on screens. No exaggeration, nothing in the "adulting" category gets done unless I ask about it, repeatedly (which no longer works at all), he just pretends it doesn't exist. He is very protective and defensive of his downtime and will hurt me verbally if I say anything about him getting up at noon on the weekends and starting his day at 1pm or bringing up stuff that needs to be addressed while he's 'resting'. So we have a couple of cars literally on the verge of breaking down because they are never maintained and another broken down one blocking the garage door so we can't use the garage!! We also have a front yard fence that's falling over, a deck that's falling off the side of the house, mice in the house, etc. This is not the way I would ever choose to live! I find it embarrassing also as we live in a wonderful, close-knit neighborhood where people lovingly care for their homes.

    When I press him on something he will say he doesn't feel like doing it and will get angry, make some cutting remarks, and will quickly retreat with his online meditation and headphones to bed. He's very fragile and his world has really shrunk to the size of his safe zone. He is essentially a hermit who talks to almost no one outside the house (and he works from home full time....). He will go to great lengths to avoid having to talk to anyone and is extremely suspicious of people. This is despite him naturally being a pretty upbeat person who formerly showed a real interest in talking with people! The kids and I are very involved in a few different groups/communities and despite being invited, he chooses not to participates in any of it. So it's always me and the kids outside the house while he stays home.

     It's gotten to the point where there is literally no way I can ask that results in him doing the thing, despite him being adamant that it's the way that I ask that is the problem. In other words, it's MY FAULT actually that nothing gets done. He does not admit to his deficiencies, ever. He acts like he is infallible which is a big part of the problem. We have certainly not raised our kids to be like that so he's like that literally in the midst of working through disagreements, apologies, grace, etc. in our household. The kids are now old enough to see the irony and all I can do is say, everyone makes their own choices and we all make poor choices sometimes. They now are beginning to really understand the impact of mental health on everyday life and relationships as they bear the brunt of the dysfunction of the ADHD and RSD quite frequently and they lived through 6 yrs of daddy being out of work while they were old enough to really know what was going on. It's nothing horrible or abusive, just Daddy not acting according to the standards that I have set for their behavior and generally acting more childish than they do!

    I spent way too much time and energy thinking about his problems and deficiencies (like loss of family ties and friends).

    This is all to paint a picture of where we are at. Yes, he is employed and for that I am deeply grateful, every day. But this guy is a shell of a person. He has no hobbies, no zest for life, gets increasingly isolated as time goes on, and above all, will not hear about any of it, no matter how lovingly communicated, from me. He has shut me out completely. His top priority in life, based on his actions and emotions, seems to be the pursuit of comfort. And the avoidance of anything hard, challenging or unpleasant. 

    I have to focus on what *I* can do at this point. I starting reading "Codependent No More" and am very excited about it. I so badly want to be free from these feelings of anxiety and worrying about him. I want to learn how to "lovingly detach" from all of this while still living in the same house. I have to think that others have experienced this. I would love any advice on how to proceed in a HEALTHY manner. I do not want to get divorced at this point, or really at any point. Although I'm not excited about our marriage, I don't feel that feeling of having to get out, either. It would destroy our family and our kids are doing remarkably well, all things considered.

    What does detaching lovingly look like on a daily basis, when you are stuck in the house together most of the time? How do I start to carve out my own healthy space and remember who I used to be apart from all of this?

  • The "C2J Talk" (Come to Jesus) - how to have it?? by: Off the roller ... 6 months 4 weeks ago

    Non-ADHD spouse here. Its been a tough few years. I know this is not where I envisioned myself to be at this stage of my life and I'm understanding and learning how to make changes so that in 5 years (or whenever) I'm still not in this same spot. 

    However, all signs are pointing to a hard, but badly needed, Come To Jesus Talk - you know, the one talk where you gotta lay it on the table because you realise that it's not only the unmanaged ADHD, but also includes unmanaged anxiety and depression. And its permeated your (My, as the non-adhder) entire life , its affected and changed the kids, and you've had enough. It's time to press the reset button or its time for you, the non-adhder, to make changes that potentially have a destruction element to to them because you know you can't live like this anymore. 

    There's a great article post by Melissa in this forum that's aimed towards getting through to the men with ADHD and who thinks it doesn't matter that they aren't getting treatment. And i recently listened to a Dr John delony podcast with him speaking to a man who said he couldnt live up to his wife's expectations, but when Dr John dived further, found that the man really didn't listen and forgot the whole point of his marriage and life: you gotta love yourself first and you're worthy more than your paycheck. 

    I'm considering send those both to my hubsand as a must-read and then forcing him to talk to me about it. I've already written a letter to him, he gave out to me because I hand wrote it and he has dyslexia so it felt like he was more pissed I expected to actually read what I wrote, we've never spoken about my letter again. And the kicker is his best friend wrote him a letter too, typed out, more pages than mine....and he spoke with his friend about his letter but ignored mine. 

    (As I type that above, I'm wondering if I should make a list of all the big things that have hurt me so badly and how they aren't acceptable to me to treat me like this - but they are acceptable bc I've accepted them, right?...i struggle with this on the daily) 

    I genuinely understand that we have changed, as a couple and individually, it's normal and should be welcomed, but I'm at the point that something has to give and change for our relationship or we need to choose a different path that perhaps doesn't involve each other. Talking to him is beyond frustrating - it gets no where. No amount of calmness, finding the right moment...anything ever helps any point of communication between us. For every topic. It's so upsetting. I just want my husband back and I want a partner. I signed up for that. But what I living is not in line with who I am, what I about or my values- I know this.... so I'm wondering if any of you have had The Talk and how you best went about it. 

    Everyone's situation is different, I know, but for those of us as the non-adhd (or executive functioning or over functioning person)...when you know you've had enough and you need the roller coaster to STOP, and pause.... how did you do it?? 

     

  • Disorientation in ADHD - nonADHD relationships by: Swedish coast 7 months 10 hours ago

    Lately I've been thinking about the partners in ADHD-affected relationships struggling to find their bearings.

    Do both the ADHD partner and the non suffer so much from loss of orientation that it can end the relationship?

    I seem to read all the time about two individuals who don't share a universe. One feels they are unappreciated and misunderstood and blamed without reason. The other that they are exhausting themselves without reward or effect and their partner behaves like a difficult child.

    Wouldn't both experience a major loss of confidence? They don't get their needs met. Their struggles aren't acknowledged. There seems to be no justice, or reason for the partner's behavior. No map, no compass. No logic.

    It takes a lot to be a loving partner. If we're too lost, maybe we just don't have what it takes. 

    I think of ADHD as a force majeure in my own marriage. Powerful enough to override all good intentions and hard work. Making me so nauseous there was finally no way but to get out.

    At this point in divorce, we are so far apart in our views of what's happened, I believe we can never again share one. (Conversations would be futile and we don't have them.) I think we snapped that bond and both of us instantly slammed back into our own perception of the world. I suspect the end of love had to do with orientation and trusting one's own senses finally becoming more important than anything else, for both of us.

  • He refuses to work, given up on his stability by: Peacefull111 7 months 1 day ago

    My long term boyfriend has untreated adhd and refuses to acknowledge it. We've been together for 6 years now but it's been a crazy rollercoaster. He has been unemployed for 4 of those years. He's been through homelessness which I tried to help him through in 2019. I got us an apartment and wanted to get him out of living in his car. But he was really aggressive and toxic when living together that I had to leave him and he moved back with his family. After I broke up with him he has refused to let go and contacted me every single day through email. It has been 4 years since we broke up and be still tries to contact me every day, I tried the being friends things but that didn't work because he's very rude and self destructive. Also for the past 4 years he's refused to get a job, he has jumped from relative to relatives house. And of course nobody wants him to be homeless again. He only wants to work in his hobbies and refuses to face the reality that everyone has to work. He continues to beg me to get back together with him but our relationship has been so toxic I refuse to do it. It's been such a painful relationship but I believe I'm finally done. I've waited for him for years to get a job and do something to be more independent but he hasn't shown any improvement. Not only that but I've noticed he's very emotionally manipulative that I don't consider it a healthy relationship that I would want to have. 
    Right now we're no longer together or speaking and this time this breakup feels more real because I finally know it's not something I can put up with anymore, does anyone have any resources on how to get past a toxic relationship? I feel guilty for leaving him but I also know we're not getting anywhere and it's no longer healthy for me to hang around. 

  • I need non-reactive advice by: adhd_dad 7 months 2 days ago

    We've been married almost 20 years. In the past year, I was "formally" diagnosed with ADHD, although I have been indirectly treating it for 6-7 years (with therapy, meditation, exercise, etc.... I knew those were good things, but they seemed to really really help me). I was diagnosed with ADHD because of how my symptoms presented, but when I did the neuropsych evaluation, I was told my executive functioning and attention skills were average to above average.  My cognitive skills were top 1-2%, though... and it was surmised that the discrepancy between the two likely led to a lot of the same emotional feelings common to ADHD (not living up to potential, etc.). 

    I start with that just to point out that I don't think my ADHD is typical in how it presents (anymore). I've always been a hard worker. Always done well at my jobs. Got promoted and promoted and promoted. It took me until I was 25-28 to get a handle on things. And I feel like I owe a lot of that to my wife. Everyone told me what a good influence she was on me. And she was! I wanted to please her and do right by her.  We met when I was 24 (she was 22), and she was oh so patient with me.

    Things started going downhill when we had kids. Part of this might've been me and the ADHD but I think part of it was her own background. (Broken home, hints of abuse, but I could never get a full story.)  We have three wonderful kids, but over the years, she got more and more frustrated with me, when I thought things were moving in a positive direction.

    We're a single-income family. By chance. (I started working two jobs during the great recession, and she couldn't find work, so it made sense for her to stay home with the kids... and then we wound up homeschooling by chance because our oldest missed the cutoff date for kindergarten by two weeks and we didn't want to pay for another year of pre-school... then moved to a district where public school wasn't an option). I point this out just to say I think there's some resentment in there about roles/responsibilities and patriarchical gender roles that she dislikes. But I thought we were doing it this way as a choice, not because women are supposed to do X and men do Y. 

    It took time, but over the years, I started doing more and more around the house. Even after I started making enough money to send the kids to private school 4 years ago. At this point, I'd say housework is 50/50 even though I'm the only one working!  (We listed it out, and in fact, I'm doing more than she is, although she would say that there's invisible mental labor that's not captured... but she also refuses to say what it is.)

    Long story short... and this is where it gets rough... this has been a year from hell.  We had been seeing counseling. She wanted to stop.  I switched jobs to take a riskier opportunity that promised more career growth, and it didn't work out.  Calculated risk (that we both agreed to) but I was laid off in June. Haven't been able to find anything other than a bit of freelance consulting here and there. It's been really stressful. 

    Our fighting has gotten worse. We are both understandably stressed.  She says she feels "harassed" by me.  I feel like I can't show any frustration. And I know with the ADHD - even when treated - I can be a little... not all over the place... but I have lots of thoughts. And given her background, she's very sensitive to any kind of stress.  If I so much as so frustration, she says I'm being emotionally abusive. She's spent the past months calling me a monster, an abuser, controlling, a narcissist, and she has been lashing out at me in odd ways. I don't think I am any of those things! Although I do understand that you can feel abused without someone being actually abusive. Anyway... as the stress has been building, she has now hit me on two occasions. She said because I was "harassing" her. I was telling her - via text - that I was really frustrated with how she treats me and I'm at the end of my rope. She came downstairs and just started yelling at me to shut the f up and started punching me in the arms and back.

    I know this is really stressful. I know hitting is waaaaay over the line. But I don't know what to do. I don't want to leave. I don't want to stay in an abusive relationship. I don't want to stay in a relationship where she thinks I'm an abuser. I'm at a loss. We're still seeing a counselor. But I'm in a hotel right now because I don't want to be near her and she's giving me grief about "abandoning" her with the kids. I told her I'd do whatever needs doing kids- and family-wise, but I can't be around her. I'm at a total loss.

    Part of me is just saying to hold on until I find a job and the baseline stress should be much much lower at that point.  Right now it feels like there's not any room for rational conversation.

    Long post.  Lots of words. And probably only 2% of the total context. Feels good to type it out, though.

  • Am I Somehow Deserving of the Abuse? by: Crastina06 7 months 3 days ago

    I have been married for over 6 years to a non-ADHD spouse and my relationship has become unrecognizable and full of resentment and hatred.

    Over the last year, I discovered that I have been living with undiagnosed ADHD with my primary symptoms including inattention, forgetfulness, impulsiveness, easily distracted, difficulty with organization and prioritization, and difficulty with maintaining sustained effort. These led to my habits of frequently changing my mind, constant daydreaming and lack of focus on the present moment, flittering from one interest to another interest, rounds of obsession and hyperfocus on a show or story, and difficulty with forming healthy habits.

    My question is, does my mental disorder make me deserving of the verbal abuse from him? He gets mad frequently when I don't put things back where they should be, cannot follow through with my commitments (such as waking up at X time, or helping out with the home renovations X number of hours each week, or eating healthy X times a week), argues back with him or gets defensive when he becomes accusatory, and behaves in a way that he believes is inconsiderate to him (because I inconvenienced him and waste his time).

    When we we in a fight or I messed up somehow, he tells me that I'm useless, that I'm not capable, that I'm stupid, that I'm sub-human, that it's a wonder I'm still alive. He tells me that I'm a f**king piece of s**t and many things along those lines. Even when he's not outright being nasty, he would make negative condescending comments and criticizing everything I do. He would make snide remarks like "you enjoy doing stupid things, huh", "of course you weren't thinking", "you're beyond help", "what makes you think you can manage a household on your own when you can't even control your weight or wake up on time." The triggers could be as minor as my tripping over something, bumping into the wall, losing my phone somewhere, snoozing a bit longer than I was supposed to, idling on the phone, eating another ice cream that week, etc. He makes it so that I feel worthless and unloved most of the time. He even tells me that I'm not worthy of his respect because I can't keep my words and have no value. 

    I know that I am a disappointment to him and that he resents me and I disgust him with my habits. I know that I wasn't the capable and competent person he thought he married. Most recently, I behaved deplorably by hyperfocusing on a PC game, playing for 16-20 hours a day, ignoring my responsibilities, and even going days without showering on and off for a few weeks. Once I realized how bad it got, I quit the game and made sure to shower and go to bed every night. But the damage has been done and he thinks of me as a disgusting human being.

    When I tell him that he's being hurtful, he tells me that he does it intentionally to make me feel bad and that he doesn't care that it's verbal abuse because I deserve it for arguing back, for not admitting that I'm wrong, or for a number of reasons. Apparently, if I didn't mess up or if I immediately apologize for all perceived wrongs, then he wouldn't be annoyed and wouldn't be verbally abusive. Is he right? Does he have the right to say those things?  I walk on eggshells everyday and try so hard to meet his standards because every time he gets mean, it takes me hours or even a full day to pick myself up and continue where I left off.

    I have started medication and I have been trying to go to therapy. I have learned so much about the illness and about my symptoms and I thought I was making progress. But instead of being supportive or being helpful with tracking my symptoms and tolerating my coping mechanisms, he keeps telling me that I'm on my own and it's my issues to deal with. If I didn't have these issues, then we wouldn't be having problems, so I need to prove that I can fix them because he's given up on me. He keeps telling me that I'd never change and never get better and he makes it hard to keep motivating myself to try every day.

    We originally dated for 1.5 years before marriage and he was so sweet and caring and seemed completely agreeable with all of our future goals of owning a home in the suburbs, traveling the world, then settling down and raising a family together in a good school district.

    We moved in together to his house after we got married, then bought our fixer-upper home shortly after I got my graduate degree and began working full-time. He has always been the go-getter and the do-er in our relationship while I was the planner and ideas outside the box person. He is also the logical and pragmatic one while I am the compassionate and emotional one.

    We spent 2 years fixing the house together and renovating our home ourselves as a side hobby after work and on the weekends. During this time, I found myself constantly declining plans with family and friends and prioritizing working on the house with my husband. However, I noticed a trend in which he started saying mean things, making demeaning and degrading remarks, and being very critical. These originally were about the home renovations and his constant jabs were along the lines of questioning my competency, my intellect, my common sense, my ability to listen, and follow directions. He essentially called me out for being slow, being stupid, being unable to anticipate the next steps. He would also get mean about my asking questions when I didn't understand something and took it to mean that I was questioning "someone who knows better."

    I think that's the first sign that something was wrong, in addition to the controlling behavior which was always present and the constant withholding of affection and silent treatment when he gets upset or annoyed. He also does not respect my family because they do not meet his criteria of success, despite being small business owners. He would also tell me that my friends are bad because they do not meet his criteria of being ambitious and career-oriented and still enjoy going out and having fun despite being in their late 20s and 30s. He would also call me out and tried to "discipline" me in front of friends and family whenever he thinks my behavior wasn't appropriate such as being a sore loser in a family game or that I messed up somewhere such as not noticing a spill and wiping immediately or not realizing that one of the dogs used the bathroom.

    Now, another two years have passed, and the only positive things in our lives now are our two young dogs. He no longer wants kids and he apparently never liked traveling or going out or spending money to begin with. All of our dreams and plans are ashes at my feet. And it's not as if I am utterly incompetent or useless. I have a successful, high-paying career, I can cook, I can clean, I can help around the house, and I am not that messy or cluttered. I am very compromising and very quick to forgive and forget and would usually go along with his preferred activity or hobby for leisure time. And I have been helping with manual labor on the home renovations for the last 4 years. I have also cut down drastically on my work responsibilities and hours since he accused me of prioritizing work over home. So how does he perceive me to be such a terrible wife and someone who's not worthy of love, respect, or even kindness?

    Where do I even go from here? Is it possible to restore our relationship to one of equal partnership where he can see me as a fellow human being? According to him, all that would take for him to treat me neutrally is if I don't question him at all, immediately assume that I'm wrong no matter what, and continue to hold myself to my tasks and to-do list without changing my mind or putting things off. Then he'd stop treating me like I'm sub-human, maybe start caring about my opinions, and maybe a long time down the road start showing me some compassion. But he said that it's too much to ask for to ever expect him to be a supportive partner and a cheerleader for my endeavors. He also said that this is a "me" problem and it's not on him to try to make sure our interactions with each other are positive. Am I being delusional to believe that we can be happy together, especially if I shape up in those areas?

     

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