For Men with ADHD Who Aren't Convinced it Matters
I’m spending quite a bit of time these days thinking about how to get men with ADHD to realize that their ADHD affects those around them more than they think. At least two men I can think of who have ADHD say they wish someone (other than their wives) had “hit them upside the head” with information that would convince them that their ADHD was causing real problems. They could have saved themselves divorce (in both cases), many personal problems and saved their wives a great deal of hurt. So here’s one attempt at doing just that – providing an outside voice that says “pay attention”. I would be interested in your feedback:
For Men with ADHD Who Aren’t Convinced it Matters
Do you feel as if your wife spends a lot of time blaming you and your ADHD for your marital issues? Does she nag you all the time? Suggest that you’re no good or never help her? Perhaps she’s claimed that you don’t love her, even though you know that’s not true. Are you frustrated because you are successful at work, but can’t seem to get a break from your wife at home?
Did your wife used to be fun but now she’s just tired and complaining all the time – just a “stick in the mud”?
Do you wonder what happened to the woman you married? Does the disappearance of your “old wife” make you sad or angry?
If you are experiencing any of these things, then it’s likely that ADHD is getting in the way of your marriage. And getting in the way much more than you might think or may be willing to admit at this point.
But wait, you say. You’re describing issues with my WIFE, not me. But I ask you to stay with me, and hear me out. I’ve studied ADHD-affected relationships for quite a while now, and know a lot about them.
This may be a touchy subject because you are probably having arguments with your spouse right now about who is to blame for all of your marital issues. I would urge both of you to put aside trying to blame a PERSON and, instead, both turn to blaming ADHD symptoms. The reason to do this? It more accurately reflects your situation. If you are like most men with ADHD you don’t realize it, but after you got married your behavior changed because of ADHD. Under the pressure that those symptoms put on your wife, she changed, too. You can’t see this clearly right now (or at least may not be able to see the whole effect) because of the specific wiring of the ADHD brain. But that effect is there. It’s like a black hole. You can’t see it, but you know it’s there because things around it act differently. Same with ADHD. You may not know its effect is as great as it is…but people around you act differently – most importantly, your wife.
If you’re not too sure yet about whether I know what I’m talking about, here are the specific symptoms which cause the most pain and problems in a marriage. You and your wife are experiencing the effects of at least some of them.
- Distractibility
- Impulsivity or “Inability to “put on the brakes”” – financially, in conversations
- Defensiveness and anger
- Inability to accurately assess emotional cues
DISTRACTIBILITY is the #1 criminal here. The ADHD symptom – inattention- leads to a wide variety of BIG problems. First and foremost, when a man with ADHD is distracted and always off doing other things, his wife feels unloved and taken for granted. Love is about attention – his distraction says “I don’t love you”, even though he’s not aware of it.
Further, distraction leads to an inability to complete basic tasks around the house. At first a non-ADHD spouse (particularly a wife) compensates for her husband’s distraction by taking over what needs to be done, but she ends up feeling like a slave. So she turns into a nag – because “turning up the volume” on her requests for help is the only way she can get attention when he’s so distracted. Or she throws a fit or gets angry. Same concept. Sometimes her nagging works – he focuses enough and does some work, but he’s not happy, and it’s a pyrrhic victory for her, too. And it’s not a permanent solution – she has to nag again later to get more done, which is a very vicious cycle, as I’m sure you’re aware.
Another distractibility issue? Doing things on time – if you have ADHD it’s just too easy to lose track of time when so much is always going on…so bills don’t get paid, or you’re late getting home, or you can’t get to parties on time, or you forget to pick up the kids at school, or you don’t make the parent/teacher conference… You may not see being late as a real issue – and if you didn’t have other issues in your marriage, it might not be. But if you’re not actively working with your spouse to mitigate ADHD symptoms, then ALL symptoms become a problem – they work together to make everything worse for the non-ADD spouse and for the marriage.
IMPULSIVITY is particularly hurtful in the financial arena. Not all ADHD spouses have this issue, but there are many instances when an ADHD spouse’s family finances are in ruins because they bought toys instead of paid the utility bill, or had a spending addiction (EBay, anyone?), or they quit their job without having another in hand. Yes, one can give reasons why this might be the habit (from “I deserve it” to “I pay less on EBay than I would in a store” and more) but if you recognize this issue, it’s an ADHD symptom, NOT something else. And, yes, it’s hurting your marriage because having financial problems while married to a person whom you can’t trust to reign in their spending causes huge emotional stress.
Impulsivity also hurts in the area of communication. How many times can a man blurt out something mean (apologizing tomorrow…or maybe not apologizing at all) before his wife no longer wants to communicate with him constructively? He may justify his words as “just being honest” but she’s hurt. After a while, she’ll think “Why bother? Why not just fight back?” And how many times can he interrupt her without sending the message that his point of view is just plain more important than hers?
INABILITY TO READ EMOTIONAL CUES If your wife complains that you interrupt her too much, believe her. One of the symptoms of ADHD is that you don’t “see” what you are doing very well without training yourself in special ways to do so. She might be saying she’s unhappy. Believe her – she really is. She might say she feels lonely (even if you don’t). She is. You can’t pick up what she’s saying “between the lines” very well unless she’s screaming at you (in which case her anger isn’t really between the lines at all!) This has to do with brain wiring – it’s not a deliberate attempt to misunderstand on your part. But your inability to pick up on all she is saying and its importance for how she feels puts you at a disadvantage. To neutralize this disadvantage you have to trust she’s being honest with you when she describes her pain. Trust the scientific studies that show that people with ADHD don’t read emotional cues well, and don’t respond to these cues adequately when they do read them.
DEFENSIVENESS is a standard way to manage ADHD problems. So many people have said over the years that people with ADHD need to do better, and lay problems at their feet (marital problems, work problems, school problems, etc) that it seems it just can’t be so. People with ADHD are a good people trying to do their best (okay, there are a few bad apples, but that isn’t their ADHD)…so they develop a coping strategy that works pretty well when lots and lots of problems come their way – they become defensive. If they’re defensive enough (or aggressive enough) and able to deflect the problem, the problems will often just go away because no one wants to deal with fighting through that defensiveness. It works when you’re a kid, because no one is invested enough to “stick with you”. But once you’re married you’re STUCK…by contract. Which means defensiveness doesn’t deflect problems effectively anymore. All it does is distance husband and wife. He, in his defensiveness, becomes inapproachable. She ends up with nowhere else to go, so she pushes harder, and harder, and harder. Lots of anger – in both spouses – ensues. She’s PISSED he won’t deal with the issues. He’s PISSED she won’t leave him alone.
All of this complexity – and all of these hard feelings – are the result of ADHD symptoms. Yes, the person with the ADHD is the starting point for all of this pain. And, unfortunately, he is the only one who can alleviate it accepting his ADHD is hurting his relationship and then addressing the symptoms. Has the wife contributed? Sure. Sometimes a whole lot. But the ROOT CAUSE of the issues is ADHD symptoms. The ONLY way to get rid of the problems is to address the root cause.
Is your wife a nag now? Yep. Is she angry? Probably. Is she considering leaving? Very possibly, even if you aren’t aware of it. Does it feel as if she’s punishing you sometimes, making you sometimes want to punish her back? Probably. But just as you don’t deserve to be punished for the unfortunate fact that you have ADHD, she doesn’t deserve to be punished for her natural response to your ADHD. Your symptoms are making her life oh so much harder than it has to be. Put the shoe on the other foot. You’d be really angry if someone had something that was treatable and refused to take it seriously enough to treat it and your life fell apart as a result. Particularly if that person vowed to love and protect you for life.
Don’t believe she’s right? Think she’s just complaining? Can’t understand why the soft, wonderful, organized, caring woman you used to love has disappeared? Does it all feel unfair? Well, it is unfair – ADHD is a biological fact and that isn’t fair at all. But you can either take charge of what biology has handed you (just as you would take responsibility for a heart condition you’ve had since childhood) or you can continue to let your ADHD symptoms create misery for those around you.
And here’s the real kicker.
Women whose husbands are currently resisting taking full responsibility for treating their ADHD feel that their husbands are highly responsible for the problems in their marriage. This angers them and they show it. Women whose husbands have taken control of their ADHD – and who have allowed their wives to work with them on their ADHD issues - are much more likely to admit that yes, they too had a pretty big role in their marriage problems. They back off, and start working on their own issues (anger, etc), too.
Take real control of your own problems, and your wife will take control of hers.
You may not feel like you are in crisis right now – you’ve spent your entire life putting coping strategies of various sorts in place so that you can move forward day to day. You may even be really successful in your job, even if you aren’t currently successful in your marriage. You MAY even think that you are successful in your marriage. Lots of men with ADHD (my husband included in his first marriage) are absolutely SHOCKED when their wife asks them for a divorce. Just didn’t see it coming.
If your wife has shown you this post, trust that your marriage is in more trouble than you understand, and that your trouble is the direct result of your ADHD symptoms. You can get them under control so that your marriage doesn’t disintegrate further and, in fact, starts to be fun again. FUN – REALLY!!! You CAN have a marriage that both you and your wife enjoy being part of.
Don’t hide from this or downplay the issue. Statistically, if you have ADHD it is more likely than not that your marriage is actually clinically dysfunctional. But because of the nature of ADHD, those dysfunctional marriages can be changed with effective treatment.
If you don’t believe you have ADHD, it’s easy to find out. Go get a full evaluation from a psychiatrist who knows what they are doing. Then you’ll know – one way or the other.
You have NOTHING to lose and a HUGE amount to gain by saying to yourself “I owe it to myself and to my family to fully treat my ADHD and start to relieve the pressure it puts on us all”. If you are unsuccessful, you are no worse off than you are right now. If you don’t try, your marriage will most likely get worse or fail. (Do you know that people with ADHD are twice as likely to be divorced as people who don’t have ADHD? That’s how miserable their symptoms make those around them…) And treatment doesn’t mean “trying harder”…
Good treatment consists of two simultaneous approaches – physical changes and behavioral (habit) changes. The first group includes things like taking medications, taking fish oil, exercising (which changes chemical flows in your brain), LENS therapy and more. The second is changing habits that you’ve developed over the years. Some examples – improving organizational skills, learning to have conversations in which both parties listen better, finding ways to remember things longer, mindfulness training.
Meds alone won’t do it. And you can’t address the habits side without the physical changes (there’s a reason they became habits – you have trouble doing them other ways). “Trying harder” doesn’t work. “Doing differently” works. And in this case – doing differently means something VERY specific - doing both sides of treatment.
Take a chance that I’m right. Take a leap of faith that the science is right and even though you can’t see it, your ADHD affects those around you more than you realize. Think about your wife’s changed behavior over the years and that black hole. ADHD is there – and it’s changing the behaviors of those around you. While she (and you) can make temporary adjustments, the root cause of her behavior is untreated ADHD symptoms. Only addressing the root cause will affect lasting change. Treat the ADHD symptoms (fully, from both sides of treatment) so that you - and those you love - can live a life you love living. It’s worth it for all of you.
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I have had ADHD most of my
I have had ADHD most of my life and never really thought much beyond the inability to sit still and focus. A few years ago I decided after getting into serious problems with work that I would consider taking some medication, I had a terrible reaction to it and stopped and never went back on it. I started self-medicating with gross amounts of caffeine but that started to have severe impacts on my health and overall well being. Late last year I went back to the psychiatrist and he prescribed a new medication that I have been on sense then. I really enjoyed the clarity it was giving me to silence all of the thoughts and be able to focus and complete tasks. I noticed however, that I was also calmer and less paranoid. I never thought much about that until I started reading the posts on this site and realized all of the issues that I have had over these 30+ years are related to ADHD.
Lately the medication does not seem to work anymore and I am back to my old grumpy self with the same old issues creeping up. I work from home so I do not really get out and I have to be forced to go out at times. When I am out or around people I am not happy or even very relax. My brother-in-law’s sister visited me the other day to talk with me about what she is seeing and telling me that if I do not get some help that I may lose everything.
That got me to thinking a lot; I am getting nervous as my wife has put up with a lot of stuff from me money issues, infidelity and such. She is realizing that she shouldn’t have to put up with all of this after over 10 years of marriage or have our 2 year old be subjected to all of this either. I do not know what to do as I feel like I have tried in the past and either never followed through, failed or something did not work. It is starting to make me depressed and almost like I want to run away from this all.
Reading these posts are starting to give me the confidence to seek out help, I just hope that I can find the right person the first time. The last time I had to get a refill was from a new doctor because we moved and they did not really want to help or even know much about what I was going through or the side-effects I was having.
try to find a neuropsychiatrist
Elewis, you don't say whether your previous doctor was a neuropsychiatrist or a general psychiatrist -- in general, a neuropsychiatrist knows a lot more about ADD than an general psychiatrist does, and will have greater knowledge about medications. Please try to find yourself a neuropsychiatrist to work with!! This is the kind of doctor my husband sees, and my husband has needed various adjustments in his medications over the years. When he first started, he was on Ritalin only -- then he started getting depressed and it didn't seem to work as well, so his doctor added Prozac. Then my husband started having blood pressure problems, so they fiddled with his meds some more. About five years ago, we realized my husband also has Seasonal Affective Disorder, so we've also tweaked his meds a couple of times in recent years to help deal with that. Each time, there has been a real improvement in my husband's overall mental and physical health. The neuropsychiatrist understood what kinds of medications were likely to work well together, and what would likely be helpful to my husband. So, the point is, anytime you feel your meds aren't doing everything you need, you should see your neuropsychiatrist and discuss the situation with him/her. Please get the help you need, asap!!
I was seeing a pyschiatrist
I was seeing a pyschiatrist but we recently moved across country so I was forced to go to a GP so I can get a refill. He seemed more interested in changing me a drug he liked even thought I had a really bad reaction to it. He just wrote me a script for what I am currently taking and something for migraines (only reason I had those was because I had not been eating right and had a lot of stress). I am worried about switching medications as I have noticed some bad withdrawal symptoms when I have stopped taking the Vyvanse. I am currently just trying to make it through each day without dropping any of the balls in the air so that is my execuse to day no time. I know I need to get help it is just the fear I guess that is stopping me. I am going to look up neuropsychiatrist that accept my insurance today.
Thank you
"easy to find out"
Excellent article. But this frustrated me:
"If you don’t believe you have ADHD, it’s easy to find out. Go get a full evaluation from a psychiatrist who knows what they are doing."
As far as I know, a full psych evaluation costs thousands of dollars. Does anyone have any recommendations for those of us who can't self diagnose with confidence, but don't have that kind of money to spend on a full eval?
Getting an Eval for less $
Some hospitals and research organizations do studies in which they need people with ADHD. Part of those is a full evaluation - free.
Those are very local, though. If you're in Boston or NY you're more likely to find a study at the local college or hospital than if you're in a rural area.
You have some questions to ask yourself, relative to your financial situation. What is your health worth to you? What are your various options? Can you just "augment" your current medical support system? A good internist can diagnose you with the basics. You can read Delivered from Distraction (which has the official diagnostic questions and also a number of others) to get a good feel for if you might have ADHD, then go to your regular doc and talk about it and, if it seems likely, may be able to get a prescription. You should also talk with him/her about whether you might also have anxiety, depression or sleep issues. An important next step would be to insist that you can go back and talk with the doc regularly (every three months at first) about how the meds are and aren't helping you because tweaking ADHD meds almost always is needed. But your treatment doesn't end there. It also needs to include behavioral therapy, counseling or other things that get at changing habits you've developed. Coaches can help with that (though MANY ADHD coaches have ADD themselves, which can be very problematic if they aren't good on follow up) as can groups (usually cheaper than individual therapy) etc. and some resources by phone.
Getting a full eval is the easiest way, and the most direct. But it's not the only way to get treatment. If you go the other route, though, make sure that you get in all the steps. Your spouse can help you track this, if you are willing to let him or her.
Does that help?
Delving into ADHD
I forgot to mention that a first step can be to read "Delivered from Distraction" or "Driven to Distraction". They both list the traits of ADHD and many say they "saw" themselves for the first time in the pages of these books. That could start the conversation and is free - just go to your library. :-)
Men with ADHD Who Aren't Convinced It Matters - teleclass topic
Hi Melissa My husband and I listened to your teleclass on ADDclasses.com about Anger and Frustration in an ADD marriage.
He finally realized that other couples have the same cyclical problems caused by ADD attributes. He has agree to fight the ADD now and stop fighting with me (for the most part, early days yet).
My request is that you create a teleclass on the topic of men/women with ADD who do not realize the effect it has on their relationships, similar to your recent blog post.
I like the point form method, listing how ADD attributes contribute to problems, which could be included in a handout as well. The teleclasses have been a godsend for us as my husband does not read but he can pay attention to a 3/4 hour class.
I have been considering your words to ADD partners and not taking my husband's apparent cluelessness personally. I have been more able to stay calm. But I am asking each time for tangible evidence for change.
I have told him that I do not want to be a dupe of ADD and have it jump out at me again. Or if it does, I need to be able to name it and stop the cycle if he can't.
I have the courage to get in the car and drive away if he starts to get angry.
Thanks for helping partners be more compassionate. I feel I have grown a lot by being in this relationship. Your advice has reinforced my own path.
Consider another teleclass and know we are listening. Thanks. Karen
ps I think I will write a post like yours that reflects my situation: how this ADD relationship affects me, just for myself for now. I think it may help me find my way through the turmoil to peace a little faster. So often I hate to write or journal as it only recreates the "Groundhog Day" feeling I have about our life. Maybe if I set out a list of how ADD affects the marriage, it will be like a catharsis and create something somewhat objective about my situation.
At the end of my rope
Glad I found this site. My husband was diagnosed last year at 34. Explained a lot at the time however I am now completely mentally exhausted and at the end of my rope.
Your articles describes exactly the situation. In fact, lately I found we have been screaming too much at each other, with arguments ending with me saying that he just does not get how I feel.
My heart is breaking, I feel completely stuck and unhappy.
As I was reading, I was thinking I should forward the article to him so I smiled when I read you mention that.
I will certainly keep reading here. At least I don't feel so alone.
i understand
Hi,
I'm very happy I found this site. I was searching for something that would help me understand my husband better. A week or so ago, my mother-in-law (at a get together) came and handed my husband a folder full of paperwork that was done on him when he was a kid. He was diagnosed with Tourette (I already knew that, and so did he) and ADD! He didn't know he had it! I knew though. We've been married not even 2 years and have known each other for close to 4 years. (Not long, I know) But I knew that he had ADD tendencies. And now it's been confirmed. Now, I understand him better- a bit. I've taken time to read several posts on this website about husbands and ADD. Wow! There are SO many! It seems like this is a good place for us women folk to vent some! I suppose we need a safe place to do that every now and then, don't we? I know I need a support group.
I'm going to be speaking with a Christian counselor soon about my concerns about my relationship with my husband. I want to know how I can better deal with him. I have no idea if he is the way he is due to his ADD/Tourette alone. I honestly don't know that much about the two "disorders". I'm sure they both play a big role in his daily life and in our relationship, but at this point, I'm not sure exactly how. I would love to be educated on it. I know for sure that my husband doesn't understand the relationship between his ADD,Tourette and himself/his life let alone how it affects us and our marriage relationship! I would bet he has little to NO idea how his ways affect me.
It seems as though I've picked up on a lot of similarities between posts, and that is a lot of husbands mentioned seem angry, blow up over relatively small matters, are in general cranky and flat out rude or cold. I wonder if ADD is one of the factors to this? Could it be the result of other things as well? Why is this a similarity in a lot of husbands represented on this website?
I also have a lot of quesitons regarding my husband specifically. Why does he have to be so "passionate", as he has put it, about things that bother him? He's "passionate" about A LOT of things! I think he could pick his battles more carefully and save his energy to get passionately upset over something that is very meaningful. He, however, chooses to become easily upset over what I consider to be small, trivial things- just about daily! Daily, or every other day, (b/c it's become rare that he doesn't get aggravated over something) he is irritated over a handful of circumstances, with strong impatience and hypersensitivity-meaning it seems as though he is quick to assume that I mean something different than what I actually mean, and he becomes easily insulted, and therefore defensive.
I communicate for a living. I'm a teacher. It's my calling. I love it and enjoy it. And I'm pretty good at it. The point is that I know how to do PR; I know how to talk well with different kinds of people. I don't talk to my husband in the exact same way I do with my students of course, but I do know a little something about how to effectively communicate with different kinds of people and their personalities. I wonder, why is it that communication with my husband is by far the most difficult??? It's so frustrating that with the one person I want to be the closest with, it's so hard to be understood, known.
I'm working on myself here. In fact, there seems to be a great deal of focus on me in our relationship. He is pretty particular- voices his disapproval and wishes- often. This becomes very annoying and simply starts to wear me down. I want to have FUN- I WANT TO! I want to be close! I try to! I keep trying. And he keeps being the same.
If he were writing on a post about me, he would complain of me not being the person he thought he married as well. He would say that he thought he would have more sex as a married man. He may also say that I lack doing a good job of doing household chores; this is a big one for him. He has complained of me not doing enough around the house, and then when I put forth effort to do more, he critiques how I did it, saying I need to do it differently/better, more like the way he does it. Yikes!
I strongly believe in staying in a marriage unless there is unrepentance of neglect/abandonment, abuse, or affairs. No where in my value system is there anything that I know of that excuses divorce because a spouse is just plain rude.
The angry outbursts he has at times are really bad and scary. He will then have an "I don't care" mentality and basically trample over me emotionally and verbally. I've been afraid of him. This isn't the marriage I was hoping for. It's so hard to trust someone when you don't know if they are going to blow up or not or be overly critical and when they're happy, wonder how long it's going to last. That's no way to live!
There's gotta be hope in this somewhere.....Please God, help us. Help us get through this together. WE need you so much and so badly. It hurts so bad and sometimes it's so lonely. I've felt so alone. I've been so frustrated and angry myself at myself and at him. Please give me peace first of all from You and patience overflowing for him. Keep my spirits up and every woman who writes on this website, please give them direction so they know what to do. Thanks.
Thank you hope4us
I am scared of death just like you are, your husband sounds alot like me....recently diagnosed and my wife is hurt, frustrated and aching to change....I want to change too....This website is helpful, please stick with it. I wish you could talk to my wife so she could understand or have someone similar to talk to....I teach as well....and for me adhd or add seems to work for me.....in my job, my at home i stink as a husband and father because i cant get it together....
Anyways, keep us updated, keep writing, and dont be afraid to say hi.
Ryan
Is it ADD or something else?
You posted "It seems as though I've picked up on a lot of similarities between posts, and that is a lot of husbands mentioned seem angry, blow up over relatively small matters, are in general cranky and flat out rude or cold."
My husband is the ADD spouse in our marriage, and I don't know if it is because he has Inattentive ADD, is not hyperactive, or is just a laid back guy; but he doesn't demonstrate any of the behaviors that you list above.
His problems are mostly inattentiveness, poor follow through, and poor communication. I too am a communicator and don't understand why the person I'm the closest to seem to understand me the least! I have read other ADD people post here that they interrupt because they "already know what the person is going to say". We have the interruption issue some, but more often he checks out of the conversation when he thinks he knows everything else that is going to be said. The problem: HE IS NOT RIGHT. He thinks he knows what else will be said, but it is just a guess and he's often wrong. Sooo infuriating to me esp when he thinks I actually said what he imagines I was going to say.
I agree with you as far as the reasons to consider divorce, but I've also never been afraid of my husband. You are basically in new diagnosis mode. Time to educate yourselves, and a find a therapist to help your husband get medicated and develop a new toolbox of skills
ADD AD/HD from the Beginning
I really don't know where to start because this article is so accurate and to read it very painful.
I am a 42 year old male who was diagnosed with ADD/ADHD about 90 days ago. These conditions/circumstances have surrounded me my whole life, but they took the ultimate toll on my marriage recently when my wife filed for divorce after 16 years. 62 days later we are divorced. A drastic step I was not in favor of but seemed powerless to stop.
My wife finally reached the point this year that she was exhausted fighting for what she wanted and expected from a husband and married life. She had given me a list of things that she needed to see change in July. In August there had not been "enough" of a change to be a different me. I sought help on my suspicion and self-evaluation in September this year.
I feel mistreated and cheated by the lack of effort in working through our problems as a couple, especially to find that ADHD is to blame for basically all of it. Not an excuse, but I sought diagnosis, have started counseling, medication (a work in progress) and I have attended my first CHADD support group in our area. I wish I could have done all of this within my marriage with a shot at saving it for my wife and children. In both good and bad ways the life I have wanted will never be the same.
Others do not and should not have to lose living with their children and the spouses they love because they are fighting a battle that is unknown to all of them. There are great people out there with great lives being torn apart. If you see the symptoms tell them. I cannot change my past, but we can help the future for others.
it is sad
cdb,
I'm sorry for your experience and I'd like to encourage you to continue working on your life to make it the best it can be. The very fact that you are looking for help is a really good sign that you will overcome the challenges that ADD has brought into your life. I believe that any permanent change you manifest in your life will ripple out into the lives of your children and you will be a man of influence to them.
brendab
My non-husband
I have been married to my husband for a year and a half and we dated for 7 years before that. The crazy thing is that I really didn't see how different he was until we joined our lives and got married. Sure, he kept late hours, but we both did because we were in school and we worked really hard. He never, ever arrived to family parties on time, but he wasn't originally from the city we were living in, and his humourous exploits were part of the quirkiness that I really loved about him - he is spontaneous, unpredictable and interesting. I always felt that he really loved me - we were both sure that we belonged together from the first few months that we dated and that feeling never wavered. He is the best friend I have ever had.
Then we got engaged and we had to plan the wedding (enter "Father of the Bride" subtext). He was consistently hours late for appointments. He couldn't understand what a "wedding registry" was even though just about everyone who gets married has one and I explained it to him numerous times. I absolutely couldn't get him to nail down an opinion on anything. It felt like he was being really hurtful and inconsiderate. He booked the plane tickets for our honeymoon two days before our wedding and we left without hotel reservations booked for when we arrived. Ladies, we all know that we tend to care about these mundane wedding details more than our fiances, but in this case I think my nerves were understandably frayed. I was really worried and stressed about everything going well and he wasn't there for me. I felt like I had to exert the control of a slave driver to get him to contribute any effort towards our wedding. But he's not a lazy, chauvanistic ass - something was really off.
A year and a half later: We left his parents' house on Christmas morning, a holiday where he lost his temper, had a meltdown, and left his mother sobbing. Then he spent the two-hour drive to my parents' yelling about how he wants a divorce and it was a mistake to ever get married (this is normal, he tells me he regrets marrying me and wants a divorce every time we argue, that he married me out of pity, that I am a failure...I have to hear this whenever he is provoked about anything). What set him off? He was late getting up and I tried to rush him so we wouldn't be late for the Christmas meal with my family.
Yesterday we had a conversation where our voices were not raised and he told me frankly and very seriously that he just wants to be left alone to keep his own hours free of any routines. He mercilessly went on to say that he is just tired of feeling bored. That was when I really realized that when I married him, I did not get a partner, I did not get a lover, I did not get a husband. I joined myself with someone who lacks any instinct or desire for communication or interaction with me. He goes his own way completely haphazardly and I may or may not fall in with his daily actions. He doesn't feel the natural desire to spend time with me and he doesn't have the ability to actively schedule me into his daily routine. This inattention, lack of empathy, and disorderliness is his natural state.
I would like all ADHD spouses who doubt that their behaviour affects their marriages to reflect on my experience and the others in this forum. I would also really welcome any comments or support or commiseration.
SOO sorry to read this story!
I have a few questions. Is your new husband officially diagnosed with AD/HD and is he on any medication at this time? His actions sound like a man who is unmedicated, but we do unfortuately have one medicated friend who seems to still react the way your husband does in arguments. He's unhappy in his marriage (though most of the damage he's done himself) and anytime he gets angry he thinks divorce is the option.
As far as wedding planning...yes we generally care more about details than the men, however the desire to have someone who is helping and there for you is universal. It would be a terrible stress for anyone to not have honeymoon plans made until 2 days before the wedding and only 1/2 made at that. Also I find it unusual behavior during a time it seems he'd be hyperfocusing on getting your lives together. Was you conversation generally good at that point? Did he have an understanding of what would be helpful and supportive? Cause if he did, his behavior is baffling to me; but I've definitely heard many stories of ADD people not putting much emphasis on occasions that are important to most people...ie a wedding.
I think the way he treats you during arguments in unexcusable! For what reason does he decide that you are a failure because he tends to make you late for things? And saying that he married you out of pity--a horrific thing to say even though it is no doubt untrue--just the fact that he'd say it in the first place shows a terrible unconcern for your feelings. Some ADD husbands here have mentioned that any time they feel challenged or feel their wives are angry with them about something, they feel they have to *end* the argument and will do so in any manner whatsoever to *win*. I can't speak to this behavior as my ADD husband does not exhibit it, and I would be completely unwilling to put up with anyone acting this way toward me.
This statement to one many wives of ADD husbands deal with " he told me frankly and very seriously that he just wants to be left alone to keep his own hours free of any routines. He mercilessly went on to say that he is just tired of feeling bored. "
Many ADD people feel an unreasonable (at least to a nonADD mind) hatred of routines which is unfortunate since that is exactly what they need to develop more so that they can function successfully in the real world and within a family. Did he mention what exactly makes him feel bored? My sister in law has a family member who is bi-polar--extremely difficult to deal with within the family--yet he frequently goes off his medication by choice because he feels he loses all his creativity while on medication. He thinks (in his sick mind of course) that it is worth the negatives of unmedicated bi-polar to have the *highs* otherwise he is just bored. No one else in the family would agree, but it takes medication, and therapy, and frank conversation to get him to see that his happiness cannot be the only concern if they are going to have a happy family.
It sounds like you both need the help of an impartial 3rd party. Is anyone in counselling to deal with this behavior?
Thanks for the input!
My husband is undiagnosed at this point. When I finally came to the theory that he may have ADHD, I got him to read some information on the topic. He also took the initiative and bought a book about it. I was expecting a huge blow-up about this, but he was very curious and interested to read the research - he said that he always felt different and for the first time he found an explanation for his behaviour. I'd like him to be able to accept this without feeling that there is something wrong with him - this is where we are at the moment.
I want to thank you very much for the input about your husband. It highlighted for me that some behaviours are ADHD and some are about other issues like learning to deal with anger. My husband has impulsive emotional reactions, but he needs to learn not to act on them. I think his reactions are based on negative interpretations, not what is actually happening in reality. The intensity and scale of his outbursts are really baffling to me.
I think the problems we had with wedding planning were also because of his anxiety about the cost of it all. And you are absolutely right about his behaviour when we argue. If I say anything about our marriage, even if I try to be constructive, his reaction is intentionally vicious so that I break down and stop talking about it.
I've been reading the blogs on this site for a few months now, but now that I've started to share my story I think it means I am ready to take steps to deal with this. I really can't live with this emotional pain and abuse. I also think my husband will feel the benefit of organizing his life. He has said that he feels that living his way is the most productive for him, but wouldn't it be worthwhile for him to try to optimize his potential and productivity? Shouldn't he want to take control of his life so he is not the slave of every thought that enters his mind?
I'm right there with you.. I
I'm right there with you.. I just found this site and reading what people write and different perspectives really helps. i have an amazing wonderful husband who I know genuinly wants the best for us and our family. However, he too in the past has said it was a mistake to marry me or I can't do this anymore and we should divorce. Only to come back later and say everything about how I internally and honestly feel, like he understands me. I know they struggle with dealing with this disorder, but so do we and there is a point where you should never say such things like that .. It stays with us and brings us down. I agree that they should want to take control of their life and be more thoughtful or think about whats said before it comes out, however we both probably know that what comes to mind out of anger will just be said. My husband also likes to say things to just get me to quit talking, which are the stunning unbelievable comments. I think with both people trying to understand that each other look at things differently and really hearing each other out after the calm of the storm can help. Its hard when you have been hurt or so heated. Anyways I think its great you are expressing yourself, i know it makes me feel a sense of release of all these confusing feelings and emotions. i wish you two much luck and hope..
I'm right there with you,
I'm right there with you, too. My husband is the same way and will say anything to stop an argument or to get out of an important discussion. You're right, it does stay with us and brings us down. I believe this is why so many of us have unhealthy feelings towards our spouses.
I need someone to talk to
So my husband and I fight all the time and when I brought this site up to him or the article about how it does matter he seemed open to reading it.. then a few days letter still had only read half of it and excuses to why he didn't read the rest. At first he said he was glad I found this site and he was happy to read it.. and thats great! But why am I not important enough to just finish reading the letter, to see that it is important to me, to see that I'm trying to help our relationship.. Instead I started the argument, when in actuality he got defensive cuz I asked when he cud finish it.. "It's always about my ADD"... no not really but yes sometimes it is. Isn't this marriage important enough to do whatever it takes to make each other happy to work on it?! Thats not hard for me to see. He thinks he can manage and we can without any help. We saw a therapist for him to only quit. I talked to his mother to try and understand what I could do differently and understand him better.. and just got "Well let him be and he doesn't mean what he says" Well I'm tired of living around the negativity and excusing his behavior and feeling like my feelings do not matter! I wish there was a chat line on here to just talk at the moment with someone going through the same things. These blogs do help tremendously.. I am just lost and very very frustrated.. I asked about the letter which started an argument and somewhere along those lines neither of us were hearing each other and he told me he wanted a divorce.. which he doesn't but i hear this every year and I'm sick of it!!!
Daniela - i get where you're
Daniela - i get where you're coming from. We are suppose to be getting married in March 2010 - my ADD-spouse has been having a particularly bad bunch of days - i think it is to do with his girls (from a previous marriage) not wanting to have much contact with him over christmas. Usually (if he is on his meds) he might just have a bad moment, a bad day, a few little things here or there. When everything is going as it should he is the most marvelous, fun and exciting man i have every known. My children love him (most of the time).
However, after 4 days of being treated like I am the scum of the earth and being the recipient of toxic words and mean off-hand comments, as well as being 'excluded' from his xmas schedule, I dared to ask him if there was something on his mind. Even as the words were coming out of my mouth i already could see the expression on his face changing for the worst and at that point I just wanted to dig a hole and crawl into it. I should have kept my mouth shut (I know better), but after 4 days of living in a war zone and desperately watching every word that came out of my mouth, making sure the kids stayed out of his way, making sure the house was spotless the frustration, just got the better of me - yes - i made the mistake of asking if there was something on his mind. Every night i go to bed when he is in one of these bad ugly moods i say to myself 'tomorrow will be a better day'. I don't cry anymore because it's all so predictable.
I won't bore you with the details, other than saying that after he finished attacking me from every possible angle, yelling, screaming and blaming me for everthing that is not going quite how he would like (this happens often - it's always 'my fault'), he cancelled the wedding. Today he is sweet as pie - like nothing happened. Oh I also wanted to say that during his rage yesterday he was very proud to be able to tell me that he hadn't been taking his ADD medication for the past 5 days. Like he had won some kind of contest. That he hand't been taking his medication had been quite clear to me days before. Now that we are (were) getting married he seems to think he doesn't need his medication - after all the whole ADD problem is all in 'my mind' - apparently he takes the medication to 'shut me up'.
I'm tired, I'm over it. The wedding is definitely off - when i remind him that he cancelled the wedding plans he'll look at me like I'm some kind of mad woman. He'll then declare his never ending love for me blah, blah, blah for the millionth time.
Wether he takes his medication or not is up to him. The consequence of him not taking his medication is that I can't be with him and he knows it. Clearly he thought he was proving a point by not taking his medication - the problem is that he doesn't seem to notice any difference in himself wether he takes the medication or not, or at least that's what he says. I have tried everything...yes everything! He can't see a problem, there's nothing i can do about that. I can only do what i need to do to keep safe and sane.
Hope you have a better outcome - at least your husband has taken interest in learning about ADD. It's a great start.
I feel your pain...
It's completely inexcusable to call off the wedding in the heat of an argument and then expect plans to just continue. He cooled off, but then you have to carry around the memory and the pain of hearing those words from someone you love. I know that when I hear brutal comments, it takes me days to function normally again so that I'm not reliving the moment constantly in my mind.
I guess with an ADDer the high-stress situations have the potential to become much more explosive and damaging - for everyone involved. I hope that you can make a clear-headed decision that is best for you and your children. Thanks so much for your message and I wish you all the best. I would wish that after the lapses in behaviour, both people in a relationship can continue to move towards better understanding and communication.
I did discuss with him the
I did discuss with him the next day when he had cooled off. As usual though, my window of opportunity was about 10 minutes - that's about how long he can do a 'deep and meaningful' conversation for. He tried to deny that he had said the wedding was cancelled but i just said 'we both know exactly what you said, let's acknowledge it, learn something from the situation and move on'. So it seems we are a smithering closer to him understanding that he needs to take his medication and that actions have consequences (but i'm sure we'll have that conversation all over again for some other reason in the not too distant future - thankfully the time span between these situations is increasing. He was also unhappy about the way he had behaved, of course there was no verbal apology, but i know him well enough to know when he is apologising, kind off. Anyway, so the wedding is on. I know it is high risk, but if i don't go through with this i'll always wonder if we could have made a life together. While there is some progress, no matter how small, i have hope that things will turn out favourably. Yes, it is hard work. Yes, it's a lot of effort for sometimes little return, but other times he just blows me away with his kindness and thoughtfulness, and of course he can be so much fun. Here's hoping (and working damn hard at it!)
husband won't admit to ADD
My husband has ADD. We've been in marriage counseling for a year and the therapist is sure of it. He won't admit it. He thinks he may have had it as a kid, but that he's grown out of it. He did not! And it's affecting our marriage terribly. Been married 6 years, have 3 delicious children, don't want to lose it all, but my patience and tolerance is waning.
How can I get him, in as nice a way as possible, to recognize the fact that he does have ADD, that it doesn't mean he's BAD or anything like that, and that he needs to take responsible steps in dealing with it?