Non-ADHD Experience

I'm editing the section of my book that has to do with developing empathy for your spouse.  I found many descriptions on this site about what it feels like to be the ADHD spouse, but have had less luck finding good quotes about the feelings that come with being the non-ADHD spouse.  There's lots of "this is what my life is like" and comments about how people do/don't get along with their spouses, but less about their dreams/feelings etc.  If you would like to write a paragraph or two about that below I would love to read it, as would the other readers at the site, I expect.  Thanks.

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non-ADHD spouse feelings

At times I become overwhelmed by the sadness and mourning for the relationship I *could* have with my spouse if he did not have ADHD.  I love him very much but I think about how much easier our lives, my life, would be if he did not have ADHD.  It is lonely being the only person in a relationship who remembers and takes care of the mundane, who builds on goals for the future, and who self-monitors.  There is also a component of guilt because certainly my spouse did not choose to have ADHD, just as people do not choose to develop cancer or heart disease.  Would I be as frustrated and as angry with him if his behavior was caused by one of those diseases?  Lastly, the misperception of the general public that ADHD just means that someone is hyper or has difficulty paying attention does little to foster support for families impacted by adult ADHD, and this also leads to loneliness.

Wow, I really couldn't say it

Wow, I really couldn't say it better.

All I would add (for my situation) is that sometimes I think about the fact that I gave up such an amazing man just becuase I was too weak to have the patience for his ADHD. For two years I gave it everything I had but, at the end of the day, I just didn't have it in me.

How do I feel being the non-ADHD spouse?

Tired as hell and I just can't take it anymore. I CANNOT wait until my husband leaves this house....26 years of being married to a mean, inattentive, cheating, immature, cruel, selfish, abusive boy-child is more than enough.  It is time for ME.  I want a life without the constant anxiety and stress he and his untreated ADHD brings into my life and the lives of my kids.  Used to be I wanted the marriage my grandparents had--they still held hands after being married more than 60 years.  That was a hard dream for me to give up, but I will be so much better off.  To think I used to believe him when he blamed me for all the problems...finally came to the point that I stepped back, took a good look around and said "bullcrap...YOU are the problem here." I need this marriage like a hole in the head...I've got a chronic illness that's just gotten worse because of him...it is MY time now...time to take care of me and my kids.  Time to relax...50 years old very soon and I want what's left of my life to BE my life.

yes, torn...

Yes, torn. People with ADHD make us feel SO wonderful and loved in the moment and do have many great and creative and interesting and fun qualities. The guy I was with was hilarious and witty and very skilled with language. It's pure joy to be around them when they are in the hyperfocusing stage, but when that ends watch out. You find yourself giving so much of yourself and playing the parent and also then suddenly cast aside as though you'd never meant a thing to that person. 

I met a guy last October at a wedding who was funny, interesting, good-looking and completely energetic to be with. I didn't think any more of it after the wedding was over because we lived 3 hours apart. Well, he started calling me and showed up at my place. He came down to see me every other weekend and made elaborate plans to hang out. He came home with me for Christmas, and took every opportunity he could to see me. He'd text me or call me or email me constantly. There was never a dull moment and I felt so cared for and swept off my feet. He constantly told me his plan was to move to my city in a few months after he graduated. The guy had finally gotten his life together after having been addicted to pot and alcohol and in and out of rehab. He was 27 and graduating from college in teaching and seemed very earnest to move and become independent from his parents. I wanted to believe him and convinced myself that he was sincere. He asked me again and again to trust that that moving to my city was his plan. Well, when the reality of graduating set in things suddenly took a turn. He suddenly didn't want to leave the town he grew up in, his parents' house in which he was still living, and the hyperfocus ended as suddenly as it had began. I got dumped on Valentine's Day weekend.

I was so confused. This guy had told me, the first time he's told anyone in his life that he loved me; he had asked me to trust him; he had acted so sincere. He had acted like he wanted to be with me and was making plans to do so. Looking back I should have known better. The guy had never had a relationship with a woman last more than 6 months. He blew through his money the minute it was in his hand with no thought of saving or ability to save for the future or follow through with future plans. I got so swept up in the excitement of being with him that I ignored the very obvious signs of his ADD that were staring me in the face. The guy couldn't concentrate on two things at once. I'd talk to him while he was on the computer and he could never answer back. The guy seemed distracted after our third date and I mentioned it and he said he was upset that I'd noticed. He thinks the distraction was brought on by his excessive pot smoking.I am not sure if he was being treated for it or not, but when I look up the side effects of ADD it describes this guy to a tee.

When he broke things off with me, said to my face that when he's with me he wants to be with me, but when he's not he doesn't, I suddenly saw his world anew... the deep dependency he had on his poor parents who struggled to help him and get him off his pot addiction and onto a decent road in life... without them who knows where he would be. Not graduating, not with his money habits subsisting...

I never knew what ADHD or ADD was and now I do. The good side of ADHD is addictive to be with and makes one blind to the bad side. Will I ever be able to trust someone else's excitement over me in a new relationship or will I fear it thinking that it's hyperfocus and a sign that I'm getting involved with another invidividual whose enthusiasm will end as suddenly as it began? 

This is a good site for people to know about, married or not.

torn

Seems the power to my modem was interrupted and not sure if my reply made it......will try and re-create my reply again. I was swept up into the greatest time of my life and as I understand now, was just a moment in time......not having this experience prior, I couldnt believe life could get any better and we married within a year and 6 months later, I was cast aside and asking why to an adhd is met with total lack of empathy which communicates uncaring, sadness, hurt and disappointment to a non-adhd. We have been married 4.5 years, had 6 great months of euphoric and unbelieveable times together. I moved out 6 months ago to get my life back together in hopes she would have an equal experience gaining introspect to herself and our situation. Still, at that time I knew absolutely zero about adhd and the effects.

I am so blessed to have found this site. I could write a book about this.............now that I know more about her family history of mental health issues including adhd, bipolar, mania, etc. it is a little more comforting to know I am ok and my values will remain strong and I have so much love to give to a relationship. I mentioned in my reply that crashed earlier, I have cancer and am having surgery in 3 weeks. In over a year, she has been unable to grasp that I have cancer, doesnt ask or bring it up and I am sure it will not even be a reality to her until the morning I check into surgery. I am equally sad for her.....I have had to go outside our marriage to church and other friends to support me during my surgery and recovery. I am so alone right now and thanks for this site I discovered as well as god and great close friends.

You are never alone

So sorry for your situation--you are never along--God is always with you; as a non-ADHD spouse, I know what it's like when your ADHD spouse just "doesn't care" or so it seems.  I have been married 21 years to my ADHD husband who has yet to acknowledge that I have MS (was diagnosed 12 years ago).  I, too, only get support with my MS from others.  My  spouse tells me that he feels helpless--wants to help, but doesn't know how to.  I find that I don't believe he could even know how to comprehend my illness considering he has a hard time writing out a check.  There is a wonderful spiritual website I access called New Ministries Online Community (you can google it).  It helped me and supported me with my illness while my husband could not.  It also gives me the courage I need when I feel like giving up on my marriage.  This website is also wonderful.  I know that I am not alone in my situation.  God bless you, you are in my prayers......Clover1

bewilderment, fear, anger, despair, lonliness, sorrow

When my husband started to "grow back in" to his ADD in his late 30's, it was initially very bewildering.  He had always been thoughtful before, and now he seemed so thoughtless and self-centered.  He became more and more inconsistent.  I was at a loss to understand what was happening  and therefore distressed and worried.  As his behaviors became more pronounced, his increasing "carelessness" and "thoughtlessness" started to become physically and financially dangerous to himself and to our children.  I stopped worrying about why he was behaving differently because I was too busy being very scared for their safety and our future.  I would tell him how scared I was, and his reaction was always that he would never do anything to hurt us -- he couldn't see at all that he could hurt us through negligence.

From fear I progressed to anger (I'd been brought up to get mad instead of cry).  We'd talked so often about the problem behaviors and how upset they made me and the effect he was having on the kids, and yet he was still doing them!  It seemed to me that he wasn't listening, he wasn't caring, he wasn't thinking, and that seemed really irresponsible and it made me very mad.  And it seemed like he listened better and thought more when I yelled!  So I yelled more and more, which fed my anger further.

Around this time my husband was finally diagnosed with ADD.  For various reasons, progress was extremely slow, which was depressing for me.  I knew it wasn't realistic but I wanted a silver bullet.  I spent a lot of time in despair that we would ever have a non-dysfunctional family life.  I was also very lonely.  Nobody understood what I was coping with -- his family was in denial about the whole thing, and my family just didn't "get it".  I didn't have any friends that weren't also friends with my husband, and he's so charming in public (and had fewer opportunities to show his more troubling behaviors) that nobody understood what I was coping with.

By the time we finally did work out solutions, I felt my life had been shredded beyond recognition, although I do understand that life isn't obligated to fulfill our expectations!  What has made me sad is that I always felt I had some special abilities to bring to the service of many people while I earned a living, and while I have managed to do some good things for a few people over the course of my life, I don't feel like I accomplished anywhere near as much as I could have.  Today through a lot of work and better meds, my marriage is happy again;  I am a stronger and hopefully wiser person; but I am scarred forever.

sandune

with each post I read, I am understanding more and more about my situation and beginning a healing process from my roller coaster ride the last 5 plus years. This post reminds me of still another continuous event I live with. In the outside world that I call just on the other side of the entrance to our home.......a very energetic, kind, thoughtful, all about you personality presents themselves to the public......and on the other side of the door an uncaring, emotionally absentee, unloving, thoughtless, user / abuser, person exists.....my adhd wife.

Since the hyperfocus days ended............I have gone from a lonely, miserable, in despair, angry, resentful husband unaware of adhd to an educated, I am really ok and I will survive the emotional damage. During the hyperfocus days I brought hopes, dreams and a wonderful future to look forward to in our marriage. It is sad she does not have the ability to look beyond the moment and have something to look forward to........there are so many things I wanted to plan for, look forward to, dream a little and actually do. My wife can't relate to the future and can only react to circumstances occuring within her moment. When I romanticize about our past and future events, it is like talking to an emty shell of a person void of emotion and excitement. I am a spiritual person and honestly felt she was sent to me from above.......at that time I did not know about adhd, hyperfocus, etc. I remain a dedicated husband and my spirituality will get me through this pain. At times, I felt I was placed in her life for a reason......and still believe that perhaps I would be the vehicle to help her through her issues. As painful as it has been, that feeling remains. It is so disappointing that I do not receive anything in return whatsoever.........

I have had days where I ask  myself how could anyone treat their spouse this way. She is unable to process that kind of information, it is that perception vs performance area they are not able to see. When I talk about repairing, rebuilding our relationship, her eyes glaze over. Thanks again for your healing posts! 

Before his diagnosis, a lot

Before his diagnosis, a lot of confusion and hopelessness. We would argue about things, then sit down and discuss them, which always ended the same way - him promising to try harder.  He would, for several weeks, then once the hyper focus period on 'fixing things' was over, he'd slide straight back into bad habits.  My major problem was "He knows this is hurting me and making me unhappy, why won't he make any effort to change it?"

I come from an emotionally abusive family, resulting in poor self-esteem (among other issues), which is something my fiancee knew before we started dating.  At times, it honestly felt as though he had pursued a relationship with me because I wouldn't have the confidence to leave, even though I was miserable in the relationship. 

I also felt there was something basically 'wrong' with me.  To be treated badly by your family, then the man who swore to protect you from that, really made me think that is was a problem with me, not with them.  Why else would the people who are supposed to cherish you and protect you treat you so badly? 

Since his diagnosis, around 6 weeks ago, I feel hope and relief. Hope that we can rebuild our relationship - not to what it once was, but into something new that suits who we are now.  

Relief that it's not me!  

However, I still feel hurt and anger over things that have happened. I understand much better why he made certain decisions, but those things still hurt very much if I happen to think of them. Now though, I remind myself that our explanation of him being wired differently to me is very true and instead of taking my pain out on him, I run a bath, vent to some friends or lock myself in our room and cry until I've calmed down again. He hates that I need to do it, but understands that I do need to and that while I can forgive those actions, I will never forget them.

Feelings as the non-ADHD spouse

There are a lot of times that I feel bad for the way I am acting.  I know in my head that he doesn't do things to hurt or annoy me on purpose.  For example, I know better than to just try to start a conversation when he's on the computer - I need to get his attention first and ask him to give me a few minutes of his time.  But there are times that I just start talking and if he doesn't look up from the game he's so engrossed in, I get mad and blow up.  And before I'm even done snapping, I feel horrible because I know that I could have handled that better from the get go.   I hope that makes sense.

He and I still talk about dreams we have together (dream house, where to live, dream vacations, etc.) but now I don't get excited that they'll happen.  It's fun to dream and I let it go at that.  Because I know that he's a lot of talk.  That sounds bad, but I'm just not sure how else to phrase it.  

A lot of the time I feel a whirlwind of emotions.  Because there's a whirlwind of activity going on.  When he remembers to do things without me having to remind him, I'm thankful and happy.  When he's playing with our kids I'm filled with joy and happiness.  When he gets lost in his computer games and I'm feeling ignored, I'm sad and angry. And there are times when I just don't feel at all.  Mostly it's related to him playing computer games a lot and me feeling ignored when he does.  I just get so tired of the same argument that even when I think I should (or would) feel sad about it, and any other time I would cry, I just can't because I'm just numb to it.

He's a good guy, though.  He's trying new meds and working with a therapist.  And for that I'm grateful and proud.  

 

feelings of non-adhd

I felt as though I was reading something I wrote myself.  I have a lot of growth to do myself in responding to  these behaviors.  It takes a tremendous amount of humility to be in an adhd marriage.  Our feelings are valid yet it requires tremendous strength to bend out of our comfort zone to seek to have our needs met.  I easily become resentful of having to compete for his attention, thinking of something to say that would interest him, wanting him to participate in menial tasks of the family.  Yet when I see how wonderfully he has provided for our large family (8 children) and plays with them at their level, I am grateful his attentions are generous with them.  Thank you for speaking from my heart!  Your words strengthened me.  I am grateful and proud too!

Trust

There is a long laundry list of specifics I could make about the feelings that come with being a non-ADHD partner, but honestly, what really crushes me in the relationship is the lack of trust I have for my ADHD partner.

I am a big believer in the power of one's word.  I've read somewhere that thoughts become words, words become actions, actions become your destiny.  And in my experience with my ADHD parnter, unfortunately, I've learned that I cannot trust his word...simply because they don't become his actions.

Flippantly saying whatever comes to mind without thinking it through, making commitments and not showing up, making promises and then forgetting, coming up with inspiring ideas and not following through all add up to a lot of distrust. 

Not being his word with small things, I may learn one day to accept and live with, but what's truly heartbreaking is the bigger things in life.  The dreams we dream together, the places we want to live, the countries we want to see, the life we invision living together...if I can't trust him and his word in every day life, how can I begin to trust him with our dreams will come to fruition?

Without trust, you cannot have a successful relationship, or you compensate for it, usually unhealthily.  Walking with a limp.

Couldn't agree more.

Couldn't agree more.

Trust

You are so right; I will never trust my husband 100% again; he cheated on me with prostitutes, and though I have forgiven him, I cannot trust him entirely.  Trust is the foundation of any relationship, and once it's lost, it takes forever to regain it.  I would say I now trust him about 80%, but I'll never have the trust I did have, that's one thing I can't seem to get back, and it's very sad.

I dream of an easier life

I've known for a long time that my husband had ADD, but didn't really know what it meant. He was diagnosed as a child, and was part of the Ritalin experiment in the late 80s. I knew all of this, but didn't really comprehend the ramifications. Our life wasn't always pleasant, as many can attest to. Looking back on the first few years of our marriage, I can see just which problems were caused by attention-deficit. Then our son started showing symptoms, my husband's became more pronounced, and my depression deepened. All I could think about was how much easier my life would be if I could just take my young daughter and run away...and that would make me feel so horrible, so guilty. But that was my dark dream, my black secret, to run away and have an easier life...

Now that my husband has realized the far-reaching effects of his symptoms, and is seeking help, things have gotten better. He has researched; I have researched. We have talked extensively with mental-health professionals. We are working together. Now, my dream has changed.

My dream now is to move out of the town we're in. We live so far away from any support group; we have no one but each other. In a way, this has been good, as it's forced us to work together. But I dream of having supportive friends and family nearby. I dream of living somewhere that's, while not necessarily on the cutting edge of medicinal breakthroughs, at least up with current research; our current city is so far behind it's extremely frustrating. So I dream of moving, to where the medical community is familiar with current research and can more ably help my family; to where our friends and family are, to give us support and lend a hand; to where maybe we can all breathe again.

Glad I'm in good company

Hi all, I'm new to the group and am SO relieved to read/hear about your experiences. My 45 yr old husband was just diagnosed this year so I'm still learning about this disorder, but I've felt all the same things you all describe: anger, guilt, exhaustion, the wish to escape...on the one hand, I'm very relieved to know what's wrong with him, but on the other, I worry that our marriage won't survive it. He's a good person but very child-like (increasingly so over time) and I'm supporting our family of four financially since he can't figure out what he wants to do. We have two kids, and the younger one is autistic, so that takes most of my energy when I'm not at work. I love my family and don't want to be a single parent but I honestly don't think I can raise my husband too. We get along well for the most part, but it's not exactly a partnership and I definitely cannot count on him in a pinch. How do you know when to throw in the towel - or not, as the case may be? I'm trying to hang in there until my kids are older but every single day is a challenge. Thanks to you all for sharing your stories, it really helps!

My feelings are gone

my goals and dreams are gone and there is little hope left... Maybe I'm more melancholy than anyone else but, I've been overwhelmed by the practical reality of everyday transactions. Working, cooking, cleaning... I once had dreams of friends and travels, achieving a certain amount of security or success but now I'm content to find a quiet corner where I can just breathe. I feel empty, abandoned, ineffective... I've lost my way in the maze of ADD behaviors that apparently dominate my life. It distorts my reality and I struggle to make sense of it. I'm thankful to be alive and on this journey through life, but I wish we could do something on purpose with a goal in mind. I wish I could set out to actually achieve instead of maintain... I feel like I'm treading water...

Overwhelmed

This is what comes to mind when I think about how I feel being in a marriage to an ADHD man.  When we first married I dreamed of the two of us being a team...tackling problems together, building a life together, growing together, supporting each other, being equals...and so on.  I anticipated the day to day marital problems, but was ill prepared for the problems that came with my husbands ADHD.  I realized early on in the marriage that something wasn't quite right, but I couldn't understand what was going on.  My husband wasn't supportive, he was distant and unemotional, he leaned heavily on alcohol and host of other problems.  I began to feel confused, frustrated, and very disappointed.  I kept thinking, "How could this be my life?"  "Why did he bring this (his problems) into my life?"  When you're in an ADHD Marriage (especially with a spouse who hasn't been diagnosed) everything spins out of control.  You try hard to wrap your arms around it all, to regain control, but it's futile.  No matter how strong you started out, you feel weaker from the journey.  In many ways, your initial dreams become just that...dreams.  You don't have the energy to pursue them anymore.  You end up settling in some ways.  You settle for what's easiest.

Hurt, broken, betrayed, but hopeful

I was a self-assured, optimistic, successful woman before I met my husband. Although I am doing better now, for two years before he left, and for some months afterwards, I was crushed, negative, and constantly upset because I was being forced down by his disorder.

My health was in a downward spiral for years, and "miraculously" improved dramatically within two weeks of him leaving. That says so much about the stress level of being with him, right there.

But after making incredible progress for years in a very difficult industry, my career has stalled. I don't have the children I dreamed of (I dearly wanted children--my husband kept punting the issue--this broke my heart, and I insisted that we discuss it--he would not--he actually "vetoed" my getting pregnant, as though he had "control" over my life, and then blamed the issue back on me!). Now, because I waited so long (originally, in good faith), I may never be able to have children, and my heart is absolutely broken that I will never be a mother. So, on top of all of the pain from the marriage itself, I feel as though there's love in my heart that will never find a home.

After all of my husband's lying and gaslighting, I am extremely slow to trust now, particularly men. I was a very open, "everyone means me well" sort of person before I met him. I am no longer, and I wonder if I ever will be again. 

After years of saving when I was single to purchase my own home, I have no home of my own because my financial security is rough at best due to his debts. This leaves me feeling "shaky," although I am getting stronger and know that, eventually, I will be ok.

I used to be resilient, but his behavior has worn me down and I "hold onto" things more than I used to. 

Getting anything that makes me happy in life will take so much more work, and so much more time after having everything that brought me joy, in the doing and the planning, derailed. I am trying not to be bitter. It is difficult. I feel as though I was "robbed"--of my my husband and the wonderful life we should have had together, my career, my children, my security, my joy. Everything that matters to me--none of it was left untouched, all of it was harmed, some things irreparably. 

I was made to feel so down, so low, and that I deserved nothing good in this world. I am scrambling to salvage what I can of my dreams. Some are dead, and will never breathe again--dreams that would have, if not come true by now, at least I would have been able to give them a good try and could have laid them to rest after knowing I had put in my best effort. I was prevented from getting even that far.

My life and my heart feel so "broken" now, and I'm in therapy to put myself back together. I'm trying to grow new dreams, and reconnect with a few of the old ones.

I don't know if I love my husband any longer. I certainly don't love his ADD. To stay married to my husband as he is now would be suicide--I'd have to give up everything that I love and that brings me joy.

I never thought I'd be typing any of the above. Reading it back brings me so much pain. None of this should have happened. This shouldn't have happened to our marriage. This shouldn't have happened to me.

Thank you

Thank you for sharing that. It's so incredibly painful to read, though...I'm so glad to hear that you are working with a therapist to build your life back up. I remember the sense of freedom that I felt when I realized that my life had not gone in the direction that I had originally hoped, but that I was able to take charge and build something great in my future, anyway. I hope that you find that kind of freedom, too.

hurt, broken.......................etc.

Thank you so much for your post. I was made to feel as if my feelings were my problem.......it is so validating to see each and every post.........I am ok and will get better with time and thankful I moved out to save myself, my dignity, my values, my self worth!

Chris, (non-ADHD Spouse)   I

Chris, (non-ADHD Spouse)

 

I am so happy that you are striving to achieve a better quality of life for yourself, sincerely I admire you for the hard work you are doing.

I encourage you to write down those paragraphs and share them with whomever you wish.

 

I’ve read through the posts noted in this link below, and I agree with you; very sad.

Emotional wellbeing and feelings of happiness are elusive to many, many couples.

Reality is, there are as many unhappy couples who cannot so conveniently attribute that elusive happiness to the effects of an ADHD person.

(what about the unhappy marriages where ADHD is not in the relationship?)

 

These posts demonstrate despairingly tragic relationships; they all assume that the despair is a result of the ADHD.  I don’t buy into that.

In none of the posts do I hear the writer taking responsibility for their part of happiness in the relationship?    

Instead, I read an unspoken message of self-rightouness based on doing all the “responsible work” within the relationship that is misleading.

Because their partner has ADHD does not exonerate the non-ADHD of some of the blame.

An ADHD partner deserves recognition, validation, and appreciation for the desirable and wonderful qualities they bring to the relationship.

Strengths and weaknesses are the sum parts of all of us.

 

Being accepted, not judged as defective; is truly the miracle of love.  And this is ALWAYS a choice.

 

MVH (ADHD Spouse)

 

Not blameless, but . . .

Hi, MVH -

Oh, I did a fair amount wrong. If you speak with my ADD spouse, he'll tell you it's *all* my fault! ;) When I speak with my therapist (who works with ADD/non-ADD couples) and specialists, I'm told in no uncertain terms every little thing I did wrong. The word that gets used most often is "co-dependent," and I fully agree. Even if he didn't have ADD, co-dependency is *not* an ingredient in a healthy marriage, and I'm sure we would have had some problems. 

But I was also told, in no uncertain terms, that our marriage didn't stand a chance without my partner's ADD being diagnosed and treated properly, and that there was--and is--nothing I can do to save it without him understanding what went on and "owning" his disorder (he's in denial over what it did to the marriage).

I've gone through serious breakups before, and I'm used to looking at those situations as "50-50," meaning that we each did roughly 50% wrong. When I go to therapy now, I'm told that this isn't a 50-50 situation--it's closer to 80-20 or 90-10, with the larger number being his ADD. I'm having a *big* problem wrapping my head around this--I would *rather* that more of the problems were coming from me, as then I could *do* something about them!

My husband is a super guy: wonderful, sweet, romantic, generous, loving, hard-working, kind, compassionate. But all of these qualities disappear when we run up against issues where his ADD holds court in strength. A general, common scenario: Situation A would present itself (anything from a little issue to a huge one), which would require action B on his part and action C on mine. Assuming that I could get his attention for a few moments, we would come to conclusions about what needed to be done, I would do action C . . . and he would go off thinking about and doing something else. I would later point B out to him, and he would say he would do it. We'd come back to the issue long after this point, and he would tell me he'd still get around to it, tell me he "never said" he would do it, get angry at me, shut down, or threaten to leave (even over little issues). The result would be that either I would have to give up and leave the issue unresolved, or do B myself (if I could), and be very unhappy that I was doing "my" work and "his" in the marriage.

Repeat this scenario, daily, and you can get an idea of how unhappy life had become for me. It was like living with a perennial toddler. A wonderful, sweet, generous, loving hard-working, etc. toddler who had a very odd view of reality and what marriage was about, and (again, because of his disorder) did exactly what he felt like every moment of the day and looked out for number 1 at the expense of those around him.

I cannot emphasize enough that these are *not* his personal qualities--they're actually the *opposite* of his true nature. But when he lets his ADD be in charge--which has became more and more often over time--it's as though he's trapped way in there somewhere, and on the outside I have to deal with an entirely different person. This "ADD guy" is *not* someone I want to be married to. He's the one who did so much damage to me and our marriage, and I am furious at what he did to my wonderful husband. But "ADD guy" is in charge now, and there's nothing I can do about it.

BreadBaker, my heart really

BreadBaker, my heart really went out to you reading this post! <quote> This "ADD guy" is *not* someone I want to be married to. He's the one who did so much damage to me and our marriage, and I am furious at what he did to my wonderful husband.</quote> This sums up the first 5 years of my 6-year marriage! And truthfully, things wouldn't have changed at all...except that my husband got passed over for a promotion at work, that he fully deserved and was more than qualified for, because of his focus issues. That was his eye-opener. That, and the work we did together to better understand our son and provide a positive environment for him with his emerging symptoms. Because of those 2 things, my husband decided to seek treatment on his own. Doing research with me, working together on household chores, dating each other, and taking his meds, have turned our marriage around! I'm sincerely hoping that you and your "real" husband can reconnect, and put "ADD guy" where he belongs, in a crew role instead of the male romantic lead!

Great explanation!

Well put BreadBaker! ADD behaviors have had me spinning! I have often been unable to describe these type of transactions in part because the accusations of my wrong doing often left me wondering what was wrong with me? Why am I the bad guy? What can I do to help correct the situation or how can I change? I suppose I can add feelings of self reflection leading to self condemnation to the list. (That was before the ADD diagnosis, thankfully, I've sorted those feelings out)

Assuming ADHD the issue?

Hi, who's Chris?  Anyway, I wanted to respond to your comment that these despairingly tragic relationships all attribute their issues to ADHD.  This isn't the case at all, and in fact I regularly get comments elsewhere in the forum that writers here (myself included) are too hard on the non-ADHD spouse.  It just depends upon which thread you happen to be following and, ironically, whether or not you have ADHD (the ADHD spouses think people are too hard on ADHD people and the non-ADHD spouses think people are too hard on non-ADHD people...in other words, neither party thinks that their version of life is being adequately heard...which I often agree with and am trying to change.)  This particular thread is about what the experience feels like to non-ADHD spouses, and lots of times that experience is bittersweet - happy that you are with a wonderful person but sad that this person you know is there is "hidden" behind their increasingly destructive ADHD.  There are clearly non-ADHD spouses who are so angry that they deny that they play a role in the destruction of their relationship - this denial is horrible for both the ADHD spouse and the relationship overall.  But denial that ADHD is a major factor is also destructive.

BOTH partners are responsible for the way that any relationship looks.  BOTH partners deserve validation for their way of being and the issues that they have.  BOTH parthers have wonderful qualities.  BOTH partners have strengths and weaknesses.

Why the "us vs. them" mentality and gross generalizations (such as 'they all assume' and 'in none of the posts') when a further read of just this one thread alone illustrates that the gross generalizations are not true?  Read more of the blog and forums and you'll find lots of examples that don't support your generalizations.)  Furthermore, most (not all) of what you are interpreting as "self righteousness" could also be interpreted as anguish, confusion, bitterness and anger.  "How is it that I can work so hard at trying to make things better and the NEVER SEEM TO CHANGE?"

People with ADHD are far from defective.  My husband, to give an example close to home, is an amazing, exciting man.  I dated quite a while before I found such a wonderful guy.  My daughter (to give another example close to home) is one of the most self-aware, kindest, most interesting young women I know.  They are wonderful people.  I have always accepted everything my daughter has to offer, as is the nature of true parental love.  She's been a pleasure to be with, always.  I will admit that I have not always accepted my husband.  Those times included when he was being mean, hurtful and sarcastic...when he said cruel things to hurt me because he was unhappy...when he blew up for no reason...when he refused to do any chores at all or help at all with our children...when he ignored me and made me feel as if I was completely unlovable.  Though he was a good person underneath, as a husband, he was (your word - and an awful one, I must say) "defective".  I would have used the word "unsatisfying".  As a wife, I was also "defective" at the time.  Sometime, when the good person is "hiding" and refuses to take responsibility for "unhiding" him or herself, then they earn the title of (your words) "defective".  Note here that EITHER member of the couple can earn that title by not taking responsibility and I simultaneously earned it, too.  In our case, our mutual "defectiveness" started with ADHD symptoms and our MUTUAL responses to them.  Now, happily, we have fixed the issues we both had and are far from "defective".  (You might ask if that means that my love is conditional...I would answer that it is not, that you can love someone without accepting their current behavior.)

I really do respect your feelings on this matter even if I think that in your zealousness to make your point you went a little overboard in your generalizations.  I often think it must be really hard for people who struggle with ADHD to read the complaining and pain shared in the forum by some non-ADHD spouses.  (This is one of the reasons that, on the home page, we steer new readers to the "favorite posts" section first.)  And how many people with ADHD have said to me "I just want to be accepted"?!  But to make the blanket judgement that the non-ADHD writers here don't accept responsibility is grossly unfair.  Some are in denial, but most do understand that they are partially responsible, and find themselves here for the specific purpose of learning more and figuring out what they (themselves) can do.  Go read some of the posts.  Yes, they are uneven.  Posters are working through many issues here.  But one of the most frequently asked questions (written or implied) is "what should I do?"  Note the "I".

Grief

I've been reading this site for awhile but I finally registered so that I could reply to this blog post.  My username sums up how I feel being married to a man with ADD.  We've been together 5 years, married 4.  Four kids - mine (14), his (ADHD - 9) and ours (3).  My husband is my 42 year old child.  When I met him I had hobbies and things I loved to do.  For the most part, those things are gone.  Normally I'm the main breadwinner; right now I'm the only breadwinner.  I do 95% of the housework, child care, and the errands of life.  I gave up my hobbies because there is just no time left for me.  I tried to keep one hobby for awhile, which was taking dance lessons one night a week.  I had to give that up when my husband jeopardized our relationship with our babysitter because he could not manage to arrive to pick up the little on on time.  My husband keeps up his hobbies and mostly plays on the computer. 

There are so many things I could say to express how I feel about being in this relationship.  Truly I think I could write a book.  Sadness, rage, utter frustration, absolute exhaustion.  They all seem manifest themselves in a profound grief.  I have battled suicidal feelings, but I simply could never do that to my children nor my parents, and I cannot imagine my husband trying to parent our little one alone.  The thought frightens me into keeping myself going no matter what.

That's not to say that there is nothing good.  My husband is a gentle soul, very kind and tender.  If he were not like that, we would not still be together.  Sometimes we still have fun together.  Sometimes I have glimpses of the joy and passion of our first year together.   My life with my ADD husband is sort of like living in a rainy climate.  It's mostly gray and dreary, but once in awhile the sun comes out and the world is beautiful and sparkly for awhile. 

I'm very glad I found this site.  Reading the many blog and forum posts has given me comfort that I'm not alone. 

non-ADHD spouse

hello , I am new to this group.  Glad to find others experiencing some of the same issues that I am facing.  I have not had anyone to talk to.  When my daughter was in first grade she was diagnosed with dyslexia and ADHD with hyperactivity and impulsivity.  I embraced her diagnosis and taught her that she received 2 gifts -- dyslexia and ADHD she is very creative, bright and many other attributes, but she is a handful.  My son, now in 6th grade, recently diagnosed with ADHD inattentive type.  Same thing taught him to embrace the positive qualities.  I researched and researched ADHD.  However, My husband recently diagnosed with ADHD inattentive without hyperactivity, I cannot embrace his diagnosis.  Why am I such a hyprocrit?  He walks around in a fog and acts helpless.  He is an underachiever and expects me to handle everything.  He does not participate in problem solving and has said many times "I know you will figure it out", maby I want support "figuring things out".  I have to do everything.  I used to have dreams and dreamed of setting goals for a successful future with my husband, now I just dream and hope that I can get everyone through their day.  I feel unappreciated, no one does anything for me, Holidays and birthdays are never made special for me, he does nothing on mothers day.  I am lonely, I would like to have conversations, but most of the time I feel like he is not listening and/or participating in the conversation.  I have talked to him and he agrees that things need to change but it never does (I know this is because he has ADHD and he forgets, but comeon, I have needs too).  He is a good guy, sweet disposition, nice father who plays with the kids and wants to do better.   I am overwhelmed and warn out.  I am tired of taking care of everyone.  I know that my husband can't help many of the things that I complain about.  He is going to the doctor to start treatment at the end of March.  I know that medication will help.  Somedays I have no hope and other days I have hope that treatment will help him unwrap his gifts.  I am so afraid of disappointment, I have been so disappointed in the past.  I have never seen him take an active role in helping himself, so even though he says he wants to, Will he?  I know we will also need treatment, but what kind of therapy should we look for?  I really want to see his potential and I know that he has some wonderful, positive qualities hiding somewhere deep in that brain  of his, I just really hope that he will learn to unwrap and share them.  Any advice or stories are appreciated. 

Not Uncommon

It's not uncommon that people with ADHD kids have little trouble supporting those kids, while they have great difficulty with their spouse's ADHD. One reason is that the expectations for the two relationships are different - a parent/child relationship has different dynamics than an adult/adult relationship. (You don't expect cards from your kids, for example.)

Be forewarned that medication is just the start of treatment. One of the very real issues for people who don't get diagnosed until they are adults is that they "missed" learning some basic skills they need. The meds will provide some relief for you husband from his worst symptoms. With that relief, he will then need ot apply himself to creating new habits - including how he conversed with people, how he demonstrates that he's paying attention, how he organizes himself, how he initiates and completes tasks. It takes a while.

At the same time, you'll have some work to do in terms of how you interact with him. You'll want to learn ADD sensitive ways to interact, as well as how to set your own boundaries so that the responsibility for your hubby's ADD sits squarely with him.

A good place to start with thinking about all of this is the "favorite posts" area of the website.

Great Advice

Hi, Melissa,

I thought this was great advice that you gave.  Do you happen to know where I could get information on interacting with my ADHD spouse.  I sometimes don't know if I give him too much info or if I'm simplifing my message enough.  It would also be helpful to find a website or book for my husband that explains that he didn't "get the basics" growing up and how to get them now (he's still in partial denial on these issues). Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.................Clover1 

I understand

Hi, I'm new too.  Your husband sounds alot like mine.  My husband is also a sweet guy and good with the kids.  Although mine takes his medicine for a time (usually between 3 to 6 months) and then decides he doesn't need it.  This totally throws my life into chaos, because now I have to spend every minute trying to manage the new family that he creates.  When he stops his medicine he stops being a husband and a father.  He becomes kind of a big brother, rebellious teenager to my kids.  He introduces them to movies, music and video games that are in my opinion, for adults, and not even the kind of adults that we want our children to grow up to be.  He dosn't care about their homework, grades, bedtimes.  He and the kids can destroy the house in 2 hours of me being gone.  He blows money and is an example to the kids that money grows on trees.  And he absolutely hates me, when he decides to stop his medicine.  The kids pick up on his sarcastic comments to me and treat me the same.  I absolutely feel I can't handle this anymore.  Whenever this has happened in the past he has threatened divorce.  I have always begged and pleaded for him to start the medicine again as divorce was so devastating to my childhood (stepparents).  After 17 years of marriage this time I said fine, go.  Now he won't go.  I need help.  The only way I could live like this is if I had a full time person to take care of him and the messes he creates when he does this.  My kids went from A's and B's last year to failing when he stopped.  This year they're doing great but in 3 weeks of him being off my daughter has already been found cheating at school.  What do I do?!  I don't even have my spouse to discuss this with.  If I even told him he wouldn't think anything is wrong.  He has said that there is no way he will go back to his medicine.  I am really at my breaking point.  I need him to leave.  The kids obey me when he isn't around and I know it is hard to raise kids alone, but it can't be harder than having another parent in the house telling the kids to go against everything I say.

Dramatic Change

This is a man whom the meds clearly help. You may need a mediator of some sort - therapist or doctor or something. However, as a first step, ask him WHY he isn't on the meds - not in an accusatory way, but to learn. Learn as much as you can about this. Depending upon his answer, you can craft a statement to make to him that addresses HIS needs as well as laying out your own. He may be more responsive to listening to you.

The issue for your kids doesn't go away with divorce, unless he doesn't get custody. (I have a friend with a child who fails every test and paper he must turn in on the day after he visits his dad, then does fine the rest of the time, as an example). And you mention that having a "babysitter" of sorts for him would help, but would it really? Is the issue really the mess, or is the issue that he's sarcastic and belittling and hard on the kids? You can counter the spending of the money by also sitting down with the kids and explaining what things the family will now need to give up to pay for the purchase of X that they all just made, for example. You might be able to get a cleaning person to come to the house 3 days a week for an hour or two to clean up. You can calmly say "The sarcasm you are using with me hurts me and makes you look bad" every time he says something sarcastic. The kids aren't stupid...they'll start to think about what they are seeing. But note that any time you yell or seem unreasonable or seem somehow to look "weak" you hurt your credibility.

He knows the "solution" to this problem, and so do you (take the meds again) so it's important to really understand what's going on and why he's doing this. So that's the first place to start. Perhaps a counsellor can help you dig into it. (Hint - it may have to do with his feeling the need to assert his "power" in the family.)

I thought the meds helped

The medicine my husband is prescibed is Wellbutrin.  My new counsellor says Wellbutrin is not for ADHD.  While I have read otherwise, I would like an experts opinion.  My husband was always very night and day to me when he was late taking his medicine.  For this reason, I sometimes thought he needed a higher dose.  He would be sarcastic, mistake normal conversation for put-downs, and try to start fights if even a little late taking his medicine.  Now he is like this all of the time with me since discontinuing his medication.  My counsellor has also said that Wellbutrin stays in the body for some number of days after taking it, so I guess she is saying my observations aren't correct?

Wellbutrin is primarily an antidepressant

My husband has been taking Wellbutrin for years. It helped some with his ADD symptoms, but not enough that he was willing to consider working. He has tried all the ADD meds, and once he got on an effective dose, he went back to work. But he's been fighting side effects on all of them, including shaking so bad he got charged with DWI.

My observations line up with yours. One day he forgot his meds and his boss sent him home to take them. It must be pretty noticeable if his boss, not his spouse, noticed the difference. And he's trying different medications to control the shaking. So, even after 3 years, it's still a learning process.

 

I thought the meds helped

While I though the medicine was a miracle worker for my husband, my new counsellor says Wellbutrin (which is what he was on) is not used to treat ADHD.  Although I have read differently, I would like an experts opinion.  My husband was like night and day if he was even a few hours late taking his dose.  He would be sarcastic, mistaking normal conversation for "put- downs", and try to start fights until about 3o minutes to an hour after he took it.  (he is always like this now that he no longer takes it at all)  She also says that Wellbutrin stays in the body for some days after stopping it.  So I guess she dosn't think my observations are correct.  Does this type of behavior sound like normal ADHD behavior and is Wellbutrin an effective treatment for ADHD?  He tried stimulants and it was a disaster.

Wellbutrin

Wellbutrin is used very effectively off label for treating ADHD by many doctors, including both Drs. Hallowell and Ratey. The "wear off" factor for Wellbutrin used for ADHD is different for than when used as an anti-depressant (often, Wellbutrin is taken twice a day for ADHD - once in the morning and once around dinner). You should get the opinion of a different doctor on this one, as this particular counsellor doesn't seem to be well versed with how to use this medication. You have observed that it works for your husband - pursue it!

ADHD Spouse

Some of the feelings that I have in my marriage to my ADHD husband are frustration, anger, anxiety, love, and dread, to name a few.  My husband's actions always double my actions because I'm constantly fixing what he messes up.  He was never taught what being an adult is like, i.e., responsibility, etc., so my role is dual in the marriage and that, frankly, is unfair.

dreams feelings.....

Although my spouse is medicated, pills don"t teach skills. We are both stuck in aggression and defense but going to a counsellor to work this out. I often have nightmares where I am rummaging through an old basement and can't get out or that I am looking for a small amount of money to pay to someone to prevent myself from being killed. Other dreams parallel finding intimacy and sensuality with others. I feel depleated, emotionally thin and labile. She is warm and wonderful then distant and angry and I seem to catch her moods and the cycle begins after a "good period." I am trying not to be codependent but I feel I have no voice  that is heard or understood in the marriage. The more I remember my Ala-Non training the better I feel but it seems to put a greater distance between us and add a level of resentment from her side. I feel confused, lost and without direction; I want to run and hide and pull myself in. Due to the crazyness of the interactions between us I have I have considered suicide as a way out. It's the feeling of "which person in either of us will show up today" that keeps me unsteady on my feet. any suggestions????

Dear lonelylondon, If you are

Dear lonelylondon, If you are contemplating suicide, then you need to get immediate help.  Nothing, and I mean nothing, is worth taking your life. I'm glad you are receiving counseling.  Is it marriage counseling or individual?  I would recommend first each of you get your own counselor to help you with your problems individually.  One thing I told my husband is that we cannot fix our marriage until he utilizes every resource to acknowledge his problems and works on a plan to fix himself.  I also need to work on learning how to communicate with my ADHD husband as well as many other things.  We both receive spiritual counseling which has made all the difference.  I believe your dreams are a way of  you "calling for help".  A call to your pastor would be a great start for you to realize that YOU MATTER and YOU CAN GET THROUGH THIS!!  God, bless...............Clover 1 

A slightly difference experience

I am relatively new to the forum; this is my first post.  But since my situation seems to be a bit different than anything else I've read here, I thought it might be good to share.

I am so blessed to be married to my husband of 9.5 months, who was, thank goodness, diagnosed with ADD when he was in law school (about 10 years ago).  He was likely also suffering symptoms as a kid, but because he is so bright and continued to do well in school anyway, his parents never questioned it.  It wasn't until his 3rd (final) year of law school that he finally saw a mental health professional who made the diagnosis.  My poor husband suffered years of depression and anxiety that were likely related to his ADD before he was diagnosed.  He continues to battle those, but having the ADD diagnosis changed his life.  It took him several years to find a psychiatrist he felt he could work with productively, and also a variety of experiments with different medicines.  He's now doing pretty well (never perfect, of course) on Adderall for his ADD and Cymbalta for his depression/anxiety.

He told me about his ADD fairly early on in our relationship.  We have both seen various mental health professionals at different points in our lives, so I think that made it easier for us than it might have been.  It didn't scare me (as much) that he needed all these pills to function well, and without them, he was like a different person.  It also meant I was more self-aware and willing to talk about what I was bringing to the relationship.

We've been together for nearly 5 years, and during that time, things have mostly been good.  Part of the reason we work so well together is that I am kind of a Type-A personality anyway.  So I just go ahead and do a lot of things that he is terrible at (cooking, certain chores, planning), and try to find other things he's better at.  It's important to me to live in a VERY clean home, and that was a struggle when we first moved in together, and I am simply amazed when I think how far he has come in terms of cleaning up after himself and keeping organized.  We used to fight a lot about how I wanted everything "my way," but he has since agreed that "my way" has its merits at times--and other times, I let it go because, after all, it's his house, too!  He appreciates living in a clean and organized house, so he usually goes along with things how I lay them out, and we tweak as needed to make sure he can actually keep up.  I learned to recognize that he just does not think or function the way I do, and he never will.  And that's OKAY.  If I married a clone of myself, that would make me crazy!  I actually appreciate being able to do things the way I want a lot of the time.

Sometimes he is a little resentful of being "managed" by me, but most of the time it works for both of us.  He appreciates being reminded about things about 80% of the time--and when he doesn't, I tell him he can't have it both ways--he can't be mad at me for reminding him, when he'd also be mad at me if I DIDN'T remind him.  Mostly he is grateful that I help him as best I can, and I am grateful for how hard he works to try make me happy.  I try to be a gentle reminder, rather than a nag, and that usually works.  (E.g., "hey, I know you had a busy day--did you get a chance to call so-and-so?")

We truly are a partnership.  Despite all the help I give him, I am not willing to "mother" him.  He is a grown man, and he can contribute to this marriage a full 50%, even if that 50% doesn't look the way I thought it might.  I refuse to take on ALL the household duties (we both have full-time jobs; no kids yet), so we worked out a pattern where he does certain tasks that are easier for him, and I do others that are harder for him.  Practically speaking, this means he does a lot of the laundry (I often remind him to do it, but that's not such a big deal) and vacuuming and dishes, while I do all the cooking, dusting, picking up around the house, etc.  Finances-wise, he handles the big-picture stuff (retirement, long-term savings), while I manage more of the day-to-day.

He has a pretty prestigious job as an attorney, and is incredibly smart.  His treatment has helped him become much more successful.  It amazed me to learn how well organized he is at work these days!  But he had to learn ways to deal with his ADD, and he did.  That makes me so proud.  He also really values my opinion, even about stuff at work, and I try to help him with the areas he struggles with the most--reading people, remaining calm and diplomatic, etc.  These are things I am good at, and it makes me feel good to help him--and then he feels like I want to help, and it's a win-win.

Meanwhile, he has brought a lot of fun and spontaneity into my life.  I am a very orderly person, and without him, I fear the order would take over all the fun!  He is so much more emotional than any other man I've known, which is mostly a sweet and wonderful thing.  He is very loving and thoughtful.  I have never felt so cherished.

This is not to say that everything is perfect--of course it isn't.  We struggle with how to communicate about his ADD.  I try to keep a sense of humor about it, so things don't get so heavy all the time.  He struggles with that--he takes so many things personally, even when I make clear that it's his ADD I blame and not him personally.  But we're continuing to work on that.  90% of the time, I don't mind having to remind him about stuff, or all the little things I do that he doesn't know about.  And the rest of the time?  I am trying to find healthy ways to blow off that steam (sometimes it's as little as turning my head and rolling my eyes so he can't see; sometimes I need to talk to someone else). Sometimes when he doesn't take his Adderall (he has to give his body a break every so often; it wears him out so be so focused all the time), he's very volatile and moody, and it can be hard then.  We're more likely to argue, and he gets mad when I ask him, "did you take your meds?"  Usually after 30 minutes or so, he calms down and we go about our day.  It is sometimes hard for him to recognize that as an "outside" party, I can tell when his mood or affect fluctuates because of his medication, whereas he's too "in it" to be able to be objective.  When he's changed meds over the last few years, this has been a problem and led to more arguing.  Luckily, it's always temporary.

Overall, though, we're both very happy and looking forward to continuing to build a strong marriage.  I think our individual self-awareness, respect for one another, and faith have helped us tremendously.  We have bad days, sure, but for now, at least, the good so far outweighs the bad.  Whenever he forgets something, unless it's really critical, I try to let it roll, and remind myself how many things he DOESN'T forget anymore, and how far he's come.  I know a lot of daily functioning is a lot tougher for him than it is for me as a non-ADD adult, and because I see how hard he works, it's easier for me to let the little stuff go.

Are we there yet?

I have been married to an ADD husband for almost 30years. The first 12 years of our marriage were a complete roller coaster ride of affairs, lies, crazy jealousy on his part (even thought he was the one having the affairs), booze and overall turmoil. We went to so many counselors but things just stayed the same. Finally, we separated and stayed apart for 6 1/2 years and I managed to begin to feel like myself again...more confident, regaining a spirit of adventure, more relaxed with the kids, making future plans, and enjoying life more. My chest wasn't tight and filled with repressed anger and sadness all the time. I could see beyond today's problems and into hopes and dreams for the future. I had more physical energy and very few aches and pains.

We have been back together for 11 years and life is not good. I feel like exploding most of the time and my body, especially my legs, are filled with a lot of pain.  No more hopes and dreams...most times I try to plan a vacation or activity, he "forgets" to get the time off from work or plans something else. This is with asking him if he would like to do this thing with the family and him responding "yes". This is with many verbal and written reminders of the forthcoming event. I am left taking long vacations with the kids by myself. I am left attending family reunions without him. I am left trying to complete projects around the house when we have asked others to come help us with something like... put up an arbor. The arbor project was this last weekend and something that he had agreed on during the previous week. I am left to explain why he is not there and to do it by myself.  I know that I have a choice when left to do these things on my own and could choose to not do them. At least in choosing to do them, I have a good feeling of accomplishment and fun times with others. I surely do miss having a partner in life, one I can depend on and share my life with.  The best description I have of what my husband is, is a fairly bad room mate...one that does not share in household responsibilies, that is gone ( emotionally and physically) when needed and who is grumpy and downright nasty at times.

He was diagnosed with ADD about 4 years ago and tried 5-6 different meds without much success. The Adderall worked well but made him grind his teeth so much that it was painful and not good. Nothing else worked at all. We have an appointment tomorrow to start work with a new Psychiatrist and hopefully get him started on trying some new meds. I will not stay with him any longer if he is not medicated. All the therapy in the world ( and we have tried most of it) will not keep me here if he doesn't get on some meds to make him an empathetic person at times and one with whom I can have a rational, responsible relationship some of the time. 

I know that I have done things wrong in this marriage, too. I have allowed him to manipulate me with his anger.  I have taken over the role of mother to him. I do not like who I am when I am with him...a person full of repressed anger and very little joy for life. In my effort to not yell and scream at his ADD behaviors I have repressed not only my anger, but my other emotions as well. As I respond to others in the family, I find that there is not much enthusiasm on my part to do things or be as involved as I'd like to be. I'm worn out from dealing with him. I look forward to when he is gone playing music with his band...life is peaceful and things make sense with real responses to situations and life. I feel crazy when he's around and I'm dealing with the ADD perspective of life. I have spent years trying to figure out what I could do to make this marriage work. Now, I would mostly like to just get out of this relationship and cut my losses. I will continue trying for the sake of the family and put my effort into this new Psych. and hopefully new meds. Only, though, if my husband gets a clear enough head to see what his ADD is doing and takes the responsibility to become the person that he truly is. That person can be so tender, loving and fun......someone that I see so rarely these days.

Emotional detachment in marriage is a cruel irony

"I know that I have done things wrong in this marriage, too. I have allowed him to manipulate me with his anger.  I have taken over the role of mother to him. I do not like who I am when I am with him...a person full of repressed anger and very little joy for life. In my effort to not yell and scream at his ADD behaviors I have repressed not only my anger, but my other emotions as well. ...I'm worn out from dealing with him. I look forward to when he is gone ... I feel crazy when he's around ... I have spent years trying to figure out what I could do to make this marriage work. Now, I would mostly like to just get out of this relationship and cut my losses. ...[my husband] can be so tender, loving and fun......someone that I see so rarely these days."

Thank you for sharing. You've expressed exactly what I feel too. I'm so sorry it's this hard. You're not alone.

Non-ADHD Experience

Hi, Melissa,

There are some other feelings that I have about being married to a man with ADHD.  I feel cheated out of a life that I was supposed to have.  Every day is a constant struggle of being a wife, parent, and a parent to my husband.  It is frustrating having to constantly take responsibility for your spouse.  Isn't the man supposed to take care of the woman?  I didn't sign up for a parent-child marriage, but that is what I got.  Since he is now taking Concerta as well as Wellbutrin, things have gotten a little better.  I guess the best way to sum up my feelings is "lonely" and "overwhelmed".  Believe me, it takes a lot of patience, perserverance, and faith to stay in a marriage where you have doubt, lack of trust, and insecurity.  Hope this is helpful to you.

God bless...........Clover1

cheated out of my own carefree way of life...

clover1, i can relate. i feel guilty for thinking that way, and i go back to the "in sickness and in health" part of my vows and think that if this were cancer or paraplegia, with all attendant responsibilities, would i feel any different? it makes me feel awful for thinking that some of his behaviors have given me every excuse i need...but what i'm really walking out on is my spouse's, my love's, most serious illness.

still, i don't want to be an angry martyr in the end, so the resentment and selfishness i feel will have to go if i am going to stick by him. i also believe that everyone, including him, deserves a loving, appreciative partner...not a cranky martyr doing it for the "family." what a dilemma. sigh. i was the "dreamer" before i met him...now people call me the practical one. i hate it.

Happycamper13:  I have an

Happycamper13:  I have an auto immune disease which is a serious physical illness with some cognitive symptons as well, but I handle everything because my ADHD husband, try as he does, simply can't do some things.  I used to be a dreamer too, but now, I am realistic.  The bottom line is my husband got the help he needed, but only after I filed for divorce.  We are together again, but I know I will never have the life I thought I was going to have when I got married.  I love my husband and I know he loves me--we just have to remember to always check in with each other every day.  I believe God will one day give us all exactly what we need and want.  Until then, try to focus on what you do have, not what you don't have.  That's what keeps me going as well as my church.......clover1

i miss being careless

i spent so much time getting myself to let go before i met my husband. i came from a very "type a" upbringing, an imperfect perfectionist with great grades, romantic dreams and a nervous stomach. i strove to let go of control, become carefree, live in the moment. i became a very "free spirit" according to my family and friends...felt light on my feet and in my heart, mostly. i defined myself by learning to take life less seriously, breathe and not worry over little things, like clean dishes or a perfect body. it's part of what made my husband and others fall for me.

now i'm the practical drag. i don't write creatively anymore, both because i'm exhausted by all the spinning chaos in my head, and because i don't think my man's fragile ego can handle the characters and stories i want to write. he could sometimes, but i know that at others he would obsess and be hurt or jealous of nothing, fiction. i feel like a prisoner in my creative mind anymore.  i'm the one his friends and family say is so good for him because i'm so "grounded" and "reasonable." i don't mind being described that way sometimes, but now i feel that's all i am, all i'm allowed to be.

my dreams are scattered now, my hopes so fragile. i've built back up walls it took me years to tear down. i fear if i stay with him, i will never have the moments of quiet and solitude i need to think or fully become myself. what's funny is that he helped me tear down so many walls, become vulnerable, allow myself to need another human being....then he started to fall through, over and over again.

he loves me so much that i still fantasize that we can have a romance and partnership to go with our easy, tender and engaged friendship. but the future is so scary to me. i want to love him and try, and i feel like we could be happy together...and never really be happy without one another. but i'm scared to spend my tiny daughter's young life and a vital portion of mine growing more tired, more bitter, or getting hurt the way i have been. it doesn't help that my famous family legacy is temper. i feel the universe is giving me the ultimate challenge to how i process anger, and to overcoming my own patterns - and i wonder if i'm buying into a life of struggle. i was doing pretty well with it, i thought, until the last year or so. i'm devastated that life has to be this hard and wondering if it really does.

i also sometimes still feel this is all my fault, that i'm impossible to live with once you get to know me, that someone else would love him just as he is, with few complaints, no matter how unrealistic that may be for anyone. i have my own self-esteem issues, as do most of us i suspect. i love him. i feel like i've failed him somehow. i also feel like i failed to choose a responsible mate, and that all the waiting i did to find the right one just led me to another guy who fooled me with his "potential." duped by my own insanity, co-dependency, whatever.

 

no-win situation

Feelings of the non-ADD spouse:

 

I am writing this knowing that my husband has ADD, and only beginning to grasp that this vastly affects every aspect of our social and emotional life together. I believe this has everything to do with where we are now in our relationship, a complete breakdown in communication or empathy for the other person.  The effect on me is that I feel completely alone in the relationship, desperately trying to talk about what things have happened that contributed to me feeling so distant, so unsupported and so lonely. My husband experiences this as hammering away at what he did wrong or only talking about what is wrong with him. He would much rather just move on and not talk about it because it happened yesterday. In reality we then just move on and create more distance between us, more misunderstandings and with no foundation to solve the same problems that arise in the future. 

 

I am feeling like this is hopeless. Just when I need him the most, I am at my most vulnerable and need the most support, he is in his own world, not connected to mine and I am the most alone. I feel angry and hurt and disconnected. This is even more highlighted when there is a major social emotional change going on. If I try to bring it up and analyze it, he explodes because I have already talked about it in the past. This makes me feel crazy and emotionally blocked and stuck. I am dammed if I do and dammed if I don't. My need to talk is blocked by his need to ignore it. How can one move on if issues are never resolved? Is that the plight of the ADD relationship, issues are never resolved, things never change and the non-ADD spouse just has to move on alone, unhappy, unconnected, unsupported, distant, and forever frustrated?

 

Seems like a no win situation.

 

 

I can relate

to your comments. I could have written much of what you wrote. I also feel quite alone in our relationship. There is so much I want to say! So much I need to say. Like your husband, talking about something that happened yesterday makes no sense to my husband, and as in your relationship, this just grows the divide. I actually tried withdrawing from him, thinking he might ask what was going on. He loved it! He even thanked me for the silence, not that I hadn't been muzzled for quite a while before withdrawing. That's how I feel -- muzzled. It takes a lot of effort to keep the lid on the emotional explosion happening inside me. 

I don't think you can move on without resolution of some kind, though I'd be really happy to hear ideas if there are any out there. 

Every day I get closer to leaving. 

Rebuilding My Dreams

I was 21 when I met the man suffering from ADHD who is about to become my ex-husband. I've been riding this rollercoaster for 10 years to the month.

When he and I fell in love, we both marvelled that we'd found each other, our soul mates. We shared the same values, our personalities clicked as if we'd always known each other, there was an intense chemistry that I've never known before or since - it really was love at first sight - and the more we knew each other, the more perfect it became: he was raised abroad and his family were all overseas, while my career in international development would take me abroad often. I couldn't have children and he didn't need any. We were both comfortable with an unconventional lifestyle and we were happy with the idea of making each other our home as we traveled the globe.  Although his life was a mess when I met him because he had overstayed his student visa and had become an "illegal," we took a chance and married thinking things would be much more normal once the instability in his life and the stress impacting his behavior were minimized with the regularization of his legal status.

But over time it became clear to me that his topsy-turvy life had to be due to more than his legal status.  Through my determined efforts to understand his typical ADHD behavior I was able to put the puzzle pieces together myself, but he would vascillate between accepting the diagnosis and denying it.  Six years after being professionally diagnosed, he still insists on believing it's a character flaw and not ADHD that makes him how he is, creating a cycle of self-hatred that pushes him toward destructive behaviors (substance abuse, cheating, lying, verbal/physical aggression, repeated job conflicts/loss, cheating, legal infractions). He resents my efforts to heal our relationship by trying to confront the ADHD situation. His favorite expression has become "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"... he even has it plastered on his Facebook page.  So I'm divorcing him now, and of course whenever our relationship has reached a crisis point in the past he's been there to talk me back into staying with empty promises and lots of tears and declarations of love so he's doing that again.  But ten years is enough.

I'm still young, but I'm a realist too.  Losing this relationship is losing all the dreams that came with it.  It's not going to be easy finding someone like him again, someone who felt like a soul mate, who didn't need kids, who was ready to follow his wife around the world (!). If I get lucky enough to find someone like that again, it will be hard to trust and love as freely as I did with this man because the abuse, the lies, the cheating, the back-and-forth, the empty promises and the years of wasted love and support have drained me so much.  Now I have to pick up the shreds of my self-esteem and dignity.  Those who know me think that I exercised poor judgment by believing in him and working with him to accommodate or overcome his ADHD behaviors, which they simply see as immaturity at best and abusiveness at worst.  I know he needs a counselor and meds, and I kept trying to get him to accept that, but as he says, "You can lead a horse to water..."

 

 

Defiance

The "you can lead a horse to water" comment seems so defiant, it makes me wonder if there is a power struggle going on and this is his way of asserting his power. The other interpretation would be that he has no confidence whatsoever in his ability to change his life (very low self confidence) and therefore figures it's less risky to "not try" (and cover it up with clever sayings) than to try and risk failure.

I don't believe that you showed poor judgement. How would you have felt about yourself if you ran at the first signs of trouble? Unfortunately, however, you can't fix this problem as the underlying issues have to do with untreated ADHD symptoms. Very sad that your husband can't find it inside himself somewhere to confront his ADHD for something that seemed so good. My heart goes out to you.

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